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January 17th, 2017, 03:46 PM   #111
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Haha, Sic a top 5 rider.

I find it hilarious how a guy who had a couple of decent results in GP was hyped as Jesus Christ Superstar.

How everyone forgets he was riding a factory bike in 2011. If you want to get a good idea for what his potential was, all you have to do is look at how Casey Stoner did on the same bike. That is not a simple gap, that's a chasm between the two. Honda had a lot invested in Marco Simoncelli, and don't forget he was supposed to receive a factory bike again from Honda for 2012 when he signed the deal in late September 2011. 2012 was either going to make or break Marco from a support perspective as I believe Honda would have cut him loose on the factory machinery for 2013 without results.

As Kesh said, the size was a problem no matter what. It's the same issue Loris Baz has unfortunately. It's a marvel Baz made it to GP with such a disadvantage relative to the rest of the grid. Simoncelli was charismatic and has skewed thinking of him and what he did on the track quite a bit these last 5 1/2 years. He was talented as are all of the riders at that level save for Karel Abraham. But talented enough to go up to the pantheon level? Absolutely not. And no amount of wishful thinking can change this, just like it can't change the reality that Marco in spite of his talent was an extremely dangerous rider to be on track with.
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January 17th, 2017, 06:02 PM   #112
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Originally Posted by Keshav View Post
There is such a thing as a tipping point; a point of diminishing returns. Everything in MotoGp mechanics is designed for a rider in a median range of weight and height. In Sic's situation - there were real limits to how much the mechanics could adjust the bike to suit him. Weight was undoubtedly an issue - but size was a problem as well. He was too large to properly tuck in; he was like one big human wind-sail, or like a large braking parachute. He took quite a bit of buffeting on the tiny MGP bikes which made it challenging for him to be really smooth, which is why the bike frequently seemed unsettled.
Ain't Baz a shitload bigger than Sic?
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January 17th, 2017, 09:14 PM   #113
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Ain't Baz a shitload bigger than Sic?
He's was rejected by Honda for a place in the Aspar team based on their experience with Simoncelli.
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January 17th, 2017, 09:53 PM   #114
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MotoGP is rejecting a lot of talented riders because now they're only accepting midgets. I miss the 500cc era when the riders were the average sized men. They should revise the rules for a combined rider & bike weight limit and maybe increase the fuel limit for heavier riders.

I hate that production 1000cc bikes are following GP bikes and becoming tiny. The average sportbike enthusiast is NOT a midget so stop shrinking the damn bikes.

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January 18th, 2017, 12:14 AM   #115
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Originally Posted by moto vudu View Post
I hate that production 1000cc bikes are following GP bikes and becoming tiny. The average sportbike enthusiast is NOT a midget so stop shrinking the damn bikes.

Nope ....... nup ..... youre wrong. Nothing worse than seeing too big a folk on the wrong bike.

Get a fatboy.

besides ..... how many cows died so that guy can look like rossi.
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David Jefferies looked like he should have been sharing a ring with Lennox Lewis, never stopped him winning on the circuits back in the day.
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Ain't Baz a shitload bigger than Sic?
Talking about Barry Sheene. Wouldn't even mention Loris in the same sentence as those guys.
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