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November 16th, 2016, 01:46 PM   #1
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So did anyone watch it?
I watched about 2 hours worth and the one hing that got me was that Ducati still has the banned winglets on next years model. I expect they need them to make the "Spartan" look good, but where will it get them as his next practice session is in 10 weeks time in Malasia (end of January) as he is banned by Yamahahahaha from the practice at the end of the month.
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All of the factory teams are testing winged and wingless versions of both 2016 and 2017 models. Nothing to do with propping up JLo's times.
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You sound like a Rossi fan. What you should be concerned about is Maverick being 7/10ths up on his 7 time champion teammate his first time on the bike. He s only going to get better. Could be a long two years for the petulant one.
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All of the factory teams are testing winged and wingless versions of both 2016 and 2017 models. Nothing to do with propping up JLo's times.
I don't remember seeing any wings on any other manufacturer 2017 bikes. There were a lot of 2016 bikes out there and sometimes 2016 bikes with 2017 engines (Rossi and Marquez in particular).

I'm a Rossi fan but very happy with the testing so far. Next year looks promising with more competition than we've had for a long time (thanks to the spec ecu according to Poncharal).

Promising signs from everyone really. Vinales very strong topping the timesheets on both days.

Zarco and Folger had very strong debut.

A Esp tracking very well on the Aprilia (matching his Suzuki pace on the 2016 Aprilia).

Wings or not Ducati is looking strong with good times on the first day from JLo on the 16 then even stronger times from Dovi on the GP17 on day 2. Jlo will be a contender for sure.

Jack set some good times in the morning before stacking his new bike (I assume he spent the rest of the day on the old bike hence no improvement when the temps improved).

The organisers have some explaining to do though with the removed air fence and one rider hospitalized.
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I don't remember seeing any wings on any other manufacturer 2017 bikes. There were a lot of 2016 bikes out there and sometimes 2016 bikes with 2017 engines (Rossi and Marquez in particular).

I'm a Rossi fan but very happy with the testing so far. Next year looks promising with more competition than we've had for a long time (thanks to the spec ecu according to Poncharal).

Promising signs from everyone really. Vinales very strong topping the timesheets on both days.

Zarco and Folger had very strong debut.

A Esp tracking very well on the Aprilia (matching his Suzuki pace on the 2016 Aprilia).

Wings or not Ducati is looking strong with good times on the first day from JLo on the 16 then even stronger times from Dovi on the GP17 on day 2. Jlo will be a contender for sure.

Jack set some good times in the morning before stacking his new bike (I assume he spent the rest of the day on the old bike hence no improvement when the temps improved).

The organisers have some explaining to do though with the removed air fence and one rider hospitalized.
I know Ducati ran the 2017 bike with wings, reason was to be able to compare apples with apples when testing the two bikes because they had quite different frames.

Cant remember if other manufacturers used wings on their 17 bikes, wouldn't surprise me if they did initially during the first day for similar reasons. I think Ducati was the only team runnings wings for the duration of the testing on both bikes.
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I was surprised too to see Ducati using the winglets, whats the point of comparing a winged gp17 to last seasons bike, when they have the data from the GP16. I would have expected some kind of updated body work, perhaps something that could increase pressure on the front of the bike similar to the wings (maybe not to the same degree).
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I was surprised too to see Ducati using the winglets, whats the point of comparing a winged gp17 to last seasons bike, when they have the data from the GP16. I would have expected some kind of updated body work, perhaps something that could increase pressure on the front of the bike similar to the wings (maybe not to the same degree).
The way they explained the reasoning was so that they could compare the 16 to the 17 more accurately. If they tested the 17 without winglets it would be harder to determine if the differences on the 17 had to do with the lack of winglets or the actual changes.

The reason other teams didn't do the same thing to such a degree was because they didn't have big changes in the frame like the Ducati did. They wanted to be sure the feedback they where getting from the riders wasn't influenced by the lack of wings.

I think they could have done the same thing if they removed the winglets from he 16 bike initially and then compared it to the 17 without the wings. The only concern they brought up with doing that was that riders accustomed to winglets may have a higher risk of crashing.

I think most of the teams will have updated bodywork trying to incorporate aero design, the rule changes to freeze front cowl and mudguard designs at the beginning of the season has probably got them all keeping their designs behind closed doors to stop other teams from copying them maybe.

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I wouldn't mind if they allowed on short wing element each side similar to Yamaha wings. No big fences on the outside edge.

Cal has called BS on Dovi suggestion the cause of the crashes being removal of wings and stated that no one was crashing there before we had wings. Hes not wrong.
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I wouldn't mind if they allowed on short wing element each side similar to Yamaha wings. No big fences on the outside edge.

Cal has called BS on Dovi suggestion the cause of the crashes being removal of wings and stated that no one was crashing there before we had wings. Hes not wrong.
I could see Dovi's point though, previously when they didn't run wings the tyres and bikes where designed to suit so there was no issue.

This entire season the tyres had been developed and designed for bikes with wings in mind, possibly slightly more loading on the front tyre because of this. Its plausible that the removal of the wings with the current tyres could have an influence on the tyres performance and behaviour catching a few people out maybe taking a little longer and more effort to get up to temp etc.

I'm glad they had gotten rid of the wings, they look like puss and if they stayed I could imagine manufactures getting to a stage of putting them on consumer bikes to add some BS wow factor.
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Herve Poncheral says the wings have a place in MotoGP as they definitely improve the handling of the bikes. The only reason they got scrapped (supposedly) is that manufacturers couldn't agree on a solution to keep them.
Herve was very quick to point out that Rossi's fastest time on Tuesday was set on a bike using wings. Rossi fans bleating about Jorge's wings should worry more about Mav, the lad didn't use them to top the field.
I reckon Gigi D'alligna has a few tricks up his sleeve regarding aero, but he's not showing his hand yet or the other teams may copy again.
Yamaha turned up at the test with a radical new fairing incorporating aero, but it wasn't allowed as it was found to be outside the rules.
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