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November 18th, 2016, 10:01 PM   #51
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Vinales should be a title contender, but I want to see him get more aggressive! There were a couple times this season where he got stuck behind a rider as Rossi and Marquez made their way to the front. I hope Vinales isn't going to be "too nice" to be a consistent front runner. Hopefully he's learning from Rossi and Marquez to block pass & go!
I have said a few times that I will temper my Vinales enthusiasm at this stage given the technical advantages allowed to Suzuki during the 2016 season but, also have to say that having watched some of the testing that aggression will not be an issue for Vinales as he had that Yamaha doing un-Yamaha dancing.

Still early to call but perhaps his riding in 2016 may have been limited by the bike where now he has a bike that allows a little more expression and attitude.

For mine, he was the pick of the tests as his riding was what I would describe as 'out there' and extremely aggressive, something that we have not seen from Yamaha riders.

I suspect that at the end of the tests, team Valentino was sitting there thinking 'out of the frying pan and into the fire' in terms of team mate results but once again, one thing Rossi is good at is not panicking at this stage. He will work with his team (and by that I mean HIS technicians etc) to get the Yamaha the way he wants it ........... whether Vinales is capable of the same in 2017 is still to be determined.

Whilst I may be a doubter, I look forward to MV's racing in 2017 if the testing and manner of his riding is anything to go by as I feel that he was taking the Yamaha outside the standard comfort zone, and it was spectacular
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I have said a few times that I will temper my Vinales enthusiasm at this stage given the technical advantages allowed to Suzuki during the 2016 season but, also have to say that having watched some of the testing that aggression will not be an issue for Vinales as he had that Yamaha doing un-Yamaha dancing.

Still early to call but perhaps his riding in 2016 may have been limited by the bike where now he has a bike that allows a little more expression and attitude.

For mine, he was the pick of the tests as his riding was what I would describe as 'out there' and extremely aggressive, something that we have not seen from Yamaha riders.

I suspect that at the end of the tests, team Valentino was sitting there thinking 'out of the frying pan and into the fire' in terms of team mate results but once again, one thing Rossi is good at is not panicking at this stage. He will work with his team (and by that I mean HIS technicians etc) to get the Yamaha the way he wants it ........... whether Vinales is capable of the same in 2017 is still to be determined.

Whilst I may be a doubter, I look forward to MV's racing in 2017 if the testing and manner of his riding is anything to go by as I feel that he was taking the Yamaha outside the standard comfort zone, and it was spectacular
Have you seen the way Illanone was manhandling the suzuki? He will be a threat next year now he has a bike a bit more compliant.
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November 18th, 2016, 10:35 PM   #53
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Have you seen the way Illanone was manhandling the suzuki? He will be a threat next year now he has a bike a bit more compliant.

Ianonne has two issues.

1. Consistency

And the bigger issue

2. Ianonne. Has talent but attitude seems an issue (IMO).

If the effective kicking out of Ducati is a big kick in the bum for him and makes him focus the energy in the right place, then all well and good but until he gets consistent, I expect nothing .........
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Have you seen the way Illanone was manhandling the suzuki? He will be a threat next year now he has a bike a bit more compliant.
Absolutely, 4th fastest overall and the bloke wasn't at his 100% best and also had two big crashes over the tests. They say the Suzuki is getting a new engine that wont be ready until the final preseason tests. I think it will do well next season, its developed at a level where it genuinley competitive and not just because it has concessions.

Suzuki's efforts in getting back into the series have been excellent, doing all the right things and focussing on all the right areas. Biggest blunder I think they have made since returning is signing Rins.

I'd like to see KTM do well but they seem to be focusing on a great engine rather than a great handling bike. That approach may work in Moto3 where race winners are often decided by slipstreaming out of the last corner and across the line but things are different in MotoGP. Ducati's powerful engine didn't stop Mav from pushing him out of the way to take the final spot on the podium at PI.
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Ianonne has two issues.

1. Consistency

And the bigger issue

2. Ianonne. Has talent but attitude seems an issue (IMO).

If the effective kicking out of Ducati is a big kick in the bum for him and makes him focus the energy in the right place, then all well and good but until he gets consistent, I expect nothing .........
Gaz, agree that he does have issues with consistency and finishing races. He pushes hard and has no issues with over riding the bike, he has an all in attitude which is great and tries hard to get results (maybe a little too hard at times but he will learn).

I don't see issues with his attitude though, no matter how much he falls he picks himself back up, dusts himself off and gets back into it. He has a lot of fight in him and is an explosive exciting rider to watch. He makes mistakes but puts his hand up when he does and doesn't make excuses for his fuck ups (and he has made a few). He got booted from Ducati but that didn't get him bitter and stop him from trying, he also gave them their first win since Stoner. Hopefully the new engine the Suzuki gets before 2017 season opener gets the bike to a level where he doesn't have to over ride it as much to get it on the podium.

Marquez has a similar attitude and riding qualities (talented & explosive) and it seems to have worked out really well for him.
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Vinales might call himself Maverick and color his test bike into a fighter jet, but he is no Pete Mitchell.

He is fast, we saw that. And in races where he did well, he was alone, got to the finish line with little fight. Might be the bike, might be his style but to me he is another Dovi. Boring.

I wonder if his dad would name him Vanilla if his favorite (Tom Cruise) movie was Vanilla Sky.

He will now have a great (if not the best) bike, tons of pressure, not just from the factory and the media but also he will have to deal with everything Rossi (why are you faster/why are you not, how does it feel to have him in the same team, how is the relationship.....). He will have to deal with more press conferences, specially if he does well in the begining.

I wish him all the best, I hope I'm wrong about him and he does have that killer instinct (and some of that P. Mitchell's balls). After all...he is the future of the sport.


And as for Iannone...he's got the guts but he needs to mature. If he doesn't, all Suzuki has done in the last year will go to nothing. They need to find that switch MM's team found on their rider.
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I don't see issues with his attitude though, no matter how much he falls he picks himself back up, dusts himself off and gets back into it. He has a lot of fight in him and is an explosive exciting rider to watch. He makes mistakes but puts his hand up when he does and doesn't make excuses for his fuck ups (and he has made a few). He got booted from Ducati but that didn't get him bitter and stop him from trying, he also gave them their first win since Stoner. Hopefully the new engine the Suzuki gets before 2017 season opener gets the bike to a level where he doesn't have to over ride it as much to get it on the podium.

The attitude to which I refer is not that of his attitude towards racing but his attitude towards team and some off track activities (think back to his twitter rages, smashing of windows etc from 2016) on top of his refusal to acknowledge his incidents.

The attitude that concerns me is the attitude of ego as there are times when a large ego can impact how one performs and limit how one learns.
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The attitude to which I refer is not that of his attitude towards racing but his attitude towards team and some off track activities (think back to his twitter rages, smashing of windows etc from 2016) on top of his refusal to acknowledge his incidents.

The attitude that concerns me is the attitude of ego as there are times when a large ego can impact how one performs and limit how one learns.
I actually find him quite entertaining, his window smashing was a non event and funny if anything. Just him being a twat and locking his keys in his car, god knows how though, I didn't even know you could do that with cars anymore. Nothing wrong with being colourful, Barry Sheene was quite the character in his day from what I hear. Guy Martin is one also.

An interview with Honda's Livio Suppo explained how all riders have "super ego's" as he put it, Ianonne is no different, definitely not the first or the last. Marc had issues with his ego to, his 'all or nothing' approach was spectacular to witness compared to 2016 and him settling for safe points (but winning the championship). Ianonne will work it out for himself I guess, in the mean time its loads of fun for us as spectators to watch. His riding is definitely not boring thats for sure.
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Honda decided not to go to Jerez next week and save the days of testing for next year.

Ducati will be going there without Lorenzo.

Source (in Spanish).
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Ducati will be going there without Lorenzo.
And therefore without Dovizioso, which means Pirro & Petrucci will get to lead the testing. Should be interesting.
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