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October 20th, 2016, 08:02 PM   #71
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Gaz, Rossi was second fastest and Lorenzo was up the back, same bike, same tyres, same team. Only difference i see is Uccio ... just saying.
I have been watching that other thread and must say that you guys are indeed perhaps onto something with the suggestions

Not sure that Uccio is the difference here but, and I may well be wrong, maybe he uses anti-fog on the inside of Valentino's visor and does not share with Lorenzo ............
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Rossi's times in FP1 cancelled because he rode on the soft tyres for more than 10 laps?
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Rossi's times in FP1 cancelled because he rode on the soft tyres for more than 10 laps?
What?

I am in no position to observe, but sounds like bullshit.
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What?

I am in no position to observe, but sounds like bullshit.
Commentators broke the news, FP2 delayed from weather. Something to do with the super soft tyre he was on and not being allowed to do more than 10 laps on them from a safety reason. Rossi must of exceeded this and his time posted was removed.

I was unaware that there was any concerns with the tyres, wonder if there is concerns with any of the other tyre options?

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UPDATE: Valentino Rossi's best lap times cancelled due to a 'technical infringement', for exceeding the maximum number of laps set by Michelin for the extra soft wet front tyre, demoting the Italian from 2nd to 20th
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Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/...wSzzfj10GJF.99

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MotoGP Phillip Island: Rossi penalised for overuse of wet front tyre - Bikesport News

Movistar Yamaha’s Valentino Rossi ended the opening wet MotoGP free practice at practice at Phillip Island dead last after his laptimes were cancelled by race direction.

Rossi had been sitting pretty in second place on timesheets but was found to have used the super-soft front wet for more than the ten laps allowed, so those were stricken from history.

“Valentino Rossi was found to have used the 1008B Super Soft Full Wet Front Tyre more than 10 laps, so he was imposed a cancellation of the lap times during the run where the 1008B tyre was used illegally,” said a sanction statement.

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Makes no sense to bring a tyre that can't be used for more than 10 laps IMO. I knew he was setting his times on that tyre while others were setting their times on the soft so I didn't think that it was a true indication of what race pace would be however why fucking bring it if it can't last half race distance?
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That's interesting because while Rossi was turning his laps the commentators talked about the 10 lap limit simply being a recommendation from Michelin, not a hard limit. Although having FP1 lap times canceled isn't a big deal, it seems to be more of the fault of Michelin and RD for not ensuring each team was aware they were allowed no more than 10 laps on the super soft tires.
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Makes no sense to bring a tyre that can't be used for more than 10 laps IMO. I knew he was setting his times on that tyre while others were setting their times on the soft so I didn't think that it was a true indication of what race pace would be however why fucking bring it if it can't last half race distance?
Totally Agree.

Why bring a tyre that you know is not going to last the distance and/or why allow practice on the tyre in the first place.


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That's interesting because while Rossi was turning his laps the commentators talked about the 10 lap limit simply being a recommendation from Michelin, not a hard limit. Although having FP1 lap times canceled isn't a big deal, it seems to be more of the fault of Michelin and RD for not ensuring each team was aware they were allowed no more than 10 laps on the super soft tires.
It smacks of 2013/2014 (forgotten the year) all over again where the tyre company makes a recommendation, RD actioned but there are questions over the clarity of what the paddock knew (although in the Marquez year I still feel that he rolled the dice and lost)

But agree, FP1 time means squat anyway and let us be realistic (with no suggestions here at all) but given all you lose is the time, it may well be worth it to be prepared to have the time washed if the practice you achieve gives a good wet weather setup as to be able to turn a lot of laps (and 10 in practice terms is a lot) is a hell of an advantage

If done deliberately than I say well played, if done accidentally then I ask (again) why allow the tyre to be used.
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Totally Agree.

Why bring a tyre that you know is not going to last the distance and/or why allow practice on the tyre in the first place.




It smacks of 2013/2014 (forgotten the year) all over again where the tyre company makes a recommendation, RD actioned but there are questions over the clarity of what the paddock knew (although in the Marquez year I still feel that he rolled the dice and lost)

But agree, FP1 time means squat anyway and let us be realistic (with no suggestions here at all) but given all you lose is the time, it may well be worth it to be prepared to have the time washed if the practice you achieve gives a good wet weather setup as to be able to turn a lot of laps (and 10 in practice terms is a lot) is a hell of an advantage

If done deliberately than I say well played, if done accidentally then I ask (again) why allow the tyre to be used.
Could end up being an issue for him though if he can't put a good time down in fp3 due to conditions though.
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Could end up being an issue for him though if he can't put a good time down in fp3 due to conditions though.
Even then, worst case scenario is that Rossi would have to participate in Q1. It wouldn't be a big deal unless he exhausted his tire allocation.
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