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October 17th, 2016, 12:10 AM | #1 |
Senior Member Joined: Aug 2015 From: Fremantle, Australia Posts: 1,592 Likes: 600 | The Suzuki
Anyone else think that the Suzuki is better than given credit for? Aleix is certainly not an alien but he does pretty well against the competition. Vinaeles is riding well but I'm not convinced that the Suzuki is so much worse than the Yamaha that the moment he switches he will be a title contender. By all accounts it's the best handling bike on the grid and they've got their power sorted for the most part.
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October 17th, 2016, 12:34 AM | #2 | |
Senior Member Joined: Sep 2016 From: Queensland Australia Posts: 740 Likes: 405 I Ride: Suzuki GSX-R 750 / Kawasaki Ninja H2 | Quote:
There approach has been really good since they returned, they have made it clear that the development of the bikes direction is handling. They wont give it extra power if its at the expense of how it rides. They have improved well from last year to this this year. If they could improve on the bike by the same margin again next year it will almost be a front running contender. I have posted this article before and you may have read it but for anyone who hasn't see it, its an interesting read. HYBRID MOTOGP SUZUKI - Australian Motorcycle News | |
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October 17th, 2016, 12:48 AM | #3 | |
Member Joined: Oct 2015 From: Chennai, Tamil Nadu Posts: 39 Likes: 9 I Ride: YZF R15 | Quote:
Now, coming back to suzuki, I would say the gulf wrt Yamaha was greatly reduced this year due to open ecu and quality of Michelin tyres. We should also consider that the practice at Silverstone, where the data collection for the race set up was all in wet. So all the riders mostly went with the setup they feel comfortable than the ultra optimised settings, we would normally expect. The mere fact that for the past eight races were won by non-yamaha riders. Even on the odd day for the factory riders, Yamaha satellite riders were not able to mount a challenge, clearly shows there is a huge problem in Yamaha side. Sent from my D6653 using Tapatalk | |
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October 17th, 2016, 03:08 AM | #4 |
SPECTRE Joined: Oct 2012 From: Crab Key Posts: 2,994 Likes: 726 |
Don't forget that Suzuki is still operating under "concession" rules. Lax test limitations. 9 engines with no homologation requirements. After this weekend I think they are on 4 of the 6 points that will remove the concessions. That said, they should be pretty pleased with themselves with their performance this year. |
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October 17th, 2016, 03:32 AM | #5 | |
Senior Member Joined: Sep 2016 From: Queensland Australia Posts: 740 Likes: 405 I Ride: Suzuki GSX-R 750 / Kawasaki Ninja H2 | Quote:
Would be nice to see some improvement in the Suzuki to bring it a little closer to the others and see it mixing it for the win, if Iannone can keep his spurs from digging in and binning it into the other riders. | |
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October 17th, 2016, 03:42 AM | #6 |
Senior Member Joined: Aug 2015 From: Fremantle, Australia Posts: 1,592 Likes: 600 |
I think Iannone being on a bike that's easier to ride will make him less likely to crash all the time. Dovi and Iannone have spoken about how physically demanding that bike is mostly because of the wings. It was an interview someone posted here where Nakamoto explained that bikes can be faster over a lap with lots of great aero but the rider is completely ducked after a couple of laps.
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October 17th, 2016, 03:53 AM | #7 | |
Senior Member Joined: Jul 2007 From: Dubvegas, or thereabouts Posts: 5,686 Likes: 2076 | Quote:
Yep, and this is the reason why I feel that judgement is best reserved at this stage until such time as they are competing on as even a playing field as mechanically possible. I may seem negative but there is just something there that for me has me 'shrugging the shoulders' at Suzuki at the moment, may be the concessions but for mine this has been a very strange year in a number of ways and so I am reserving judgement until mid way or end of 2017 to see how they perform. Can they repeat this year when HRC/Yamaha etc have moved on and developed their bikes or will they stagnate? Have the concessions been that which have assisted their performance in 2016 or are they genuinely competitive? IMO only, but it will also help Suzuki with the riding changes next year as with Vinales going to Yamaha people will get an impression of him and by extension his Suzuki performances, and likewise with Ianonne people will be able to judge his 2016 performances against the 2017 and that of Vinales. Yes I admit that their year has been somewhat exciting but again, I tend to mark based on consistency so will reserve judgement a little | |
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October 17th, 2016, 04:17 AM | #8 | |
Senior Member Joined: Sep 2016 From: Queensland Australia Posts: 740 Likes: 405 I Ride: Suzuki GSX-R 750 / Kawasaki Ninja H2 | Quote:
Your right, with the tyres and electronics changes this year, its hard to know if their performance has really improved to what it appears or if the Honda and Yamaha's have dropped off somewhat making the Ducati and Suzuki appear to have improved a little more. | |
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October 17th, 2016, 04:40 AM | #9 | |
SPECTRE Joined: Oct 2012 From: Crab Key Posts: 2,994 Likes: 726 | Quote:
Good point, Gaz. I am just glad they're seemingly competitive enough to encourage the big boys in the corporation to keep paying the development bills. (I have to get onto a laptop sometime to read that AMCN article properly (pics won't play ball downloading)...but given it's Spalders, my first inclination is to snort derisively, let's see) | |
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October 26th, 2016, 04:57 PM | #10 |
Junior Member Joined: Jun 2016 From: Bangkok Posts: 13 Likes: 1 |
I've always been a Suzuki fan since I was 14. I was very happy to see them come back to Moto GP last year. I myself don't follow a rider I follow a team. Suzuki is my team.
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