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September 13th, 2016, 11:07 AM   #551
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The trouble here is that it is a double apex corner. Most riders hang tight on the inside through the first part AND second part. But that isn't the only solution. Lorenzo takes a late line, and for Rossi that looks like an opening. Rossi's line works, too for the first apex, but puts him at an odd angle for the second. I can understand Lorenzo's displeasure, but taking that late turn-in was just too inviting for someone like Rossi. Minor incident. Fo-get-about-it.
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Rossi's line wasn't wide, he turns in way early and off the standard line everyone else bar Lorenzo was using, Lorenzo turns in later than the rest. I say the gap was there and VR took it and ran wide as he claimed the corner first.
Lorenzo was turning in late because I think the plan was to let Rossi run wide, and then undercut him before the exit. But Rossi came in to block Lorenzo from trying to undercut him on the corner exit. Undercutting is a good way to defend if your opponent isn't planning to block you.

It is what it is. I really don't give a shit about the pass at all. I didn't see Lorenzo getting away from Rossi when he needed to, so the pass was just a matter of when.
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Yes, I agree there was space to exploit, I can even make the case Zarco used the "gap" left by Lowes, after all, there was like 2 feet of curbing left for Zarco. What I'm getting at, since we are splitting hairs for the fun of discussion is that Rossi's angle of approach was very acute (which you agree with above). How acute? Well, take Lorenzo out of the equation just to focus on Rossi's trajectory for a moment. I'm posing it this way to get a better idea of where we can place the overtaking on a spectrum of audacious vs impeccable--as this is what we are getting at, you get me?

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Audacious Sundays Pass Impeccable
Without further ado, I place the offending/great pass right in the middle
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September 13th, 2016, 11:19 AM   #554
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Lorenzo was turning in late because I think the plan was to let Rossi run wide, and then undercut him before the exit. But Rossi came in to block Lorenzo from trying to undercut him on the corner exit. Undercutting is a good way to defend if your opponent isn't planning to block you.

It is what it is. I really don't give a shit about the pass at all. I didn't see Lorenzo getting away from Rossi when he needed to, so the pass was just a matter of when.
I disagree, Lorenzo was surprised Rossi took such an acute entry, Lorenzo was committed, hence having to check up. Anyway, as you say, it's not enough to write a book about, though we are giving it a go, thanks of course to our fearless media corps making it a public discussion point and these two obligingly going along. We could just as well talk about Pedrosa's overtaking and scrutiny the fuck out of it, but then again Rossi was so savvy in his description of it that the smiles and jovial facade effective made it a non talking point despite Valentino taking a dig at both Marquez and Pedrosa. Our fearless media corps could have taken Rossi to task with a question like: 'So Rossi, why do you describe Pedrosa's pass Marquezesk? What are you trying to say, are you still upset with Marquez passing you cleanly? Do you still think he cheated you? When are you going to get over your ridiculous witch hunt and start telling your fans to stop behaving like cunts to echo your displeasure at them on the podium?

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Change of subject: which helmet was more menacing? Which helmet struck fear into the competition?

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Exhibit V because it gives me the impression of two meth addicted gay guys that would be ready to tag-team your ass in search of more crystal meth.
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Anybody see this, respect!!
Somebody posted that yesterday.
I don't know where NH lives... Who hates Dani? I can't find one reason to.
He may not be loud enough to sell his name like Rossi, Marquez and Sic (his stuff still sells better than Lorenzo's and Dani's), but everyone loves him. I didn't read one single comment against him. Everyone is happy for him (and I come from a country where everyone but Rossi is hated).
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It's blurry on my phone what does it say?
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Not a helmet but it looks pretty fruity to me.
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