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September 21st, 2006, 09:25 AM   #1
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It occured to me that I dont think I've ever seen the safety car come out, or even that they have that in the rules - maybe its just an instant red flag?

I was thinking this while at Sepang, coz of the crash in 125's, it seemed like a 25-30 min delay before the restart, when it only took the marshalls minutes to clear the track....why not bring out the flash BMW's instead?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BEN @ Sep 21 2006, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It occured to me that I dont think I've ever seen the safety car come out, or even that they have that in the rules - maybe its just an instant red flag?

I was thinking this while at Sepang, coz of the crash in 125's, it seemed like a 25-30 min delay before the restart, when it only took the marshalls minutes to clear the track....why not bring out the flash BMW's instead?

cause the fields so spread apart...if the car comes out, it might split the field and all of a sudden if your in first and "HAD" a clear track ahead...you'll be behind a ton of bikes and your competors on your booty again.
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Yeah, and thats how it works in F1, and its better imo.

Say if they red flagged half way through a race and Rossi had a 10 sec lead, this doesnt get transferred to the restart though, so its the same thing.

I'm sure in GP, or WSB or F1 (cant remember) that after restarts they used aggregate times, which was a complete bitch to follow - you could have a rider in 3 place after the restart - but had +2 secs, so they could win - even though they finished 3rd.
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Hmm but wouldn't having a safty car reqier more fuel? And if it was a bad crash and the safty car was out for quite a few laps that would burn the fuel down. And cost more moeny.
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Hmm, 'tis certainly something worth pondering, methinks.
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September 21st, 2006, 11:09 AM   #6
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I dont think motogp is short of money mate .............they knock laps of the total, so fuel consumption would be less. If it was a really bad crash, like the Montmelo one, then red flags would be appropriate..........just smaller crashes, like the 125 one which was cleared up v soon didnt warrant a restart imo
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Yea I guess they got the money.... lol but for the race don't they put just enought fuel into the bikes for the number of laps they have to do?

Safty car would need more fuel and depends how slow they have to go around the track and for how long they could run out of fuel.

Well I don't think they would cary more fuel then they should anyways cauuse they would want to reduce how heavy the bike is to give it that extra push.
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BEN aggregate times are used on WSBK for sure, I'm not too sure about the others. Those times are fair to the leaders but it sure is a pain in the ass figuring out who is winning!!

If there is a red flag or a delay of the race the total number of laps go down. The most recent example was the Phillip Island race where they cut down a lap so the riders would not have to worry about fuel as their bikes were left on at the grid waiting for the weather to clear out. Also, when restarts are done another warm-up lap is done and there goes more fuel and another reason laps are cut down.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BEN @ Sep 22 2006, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If it was a really bad crash, like the Montmelo one, then red flags would be appropriate..........just smaller crashes, like the 125 one which was cleared up v soon didnt warrant a restart imo

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Sorry to dig this one back up, but having seen the BSB races recently its got me thinking. Its shown that it can be used effectively in bike racing, and I for one am all for it being introduced to MotoGP. In the modern age of TV schedules I think its a very efficient solution. As long as its not abused (see NASCAR) it should be fine.
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