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September 1st, 2016, 05:25 AM   #11
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Aragon is when he sensed he was in trouble, PI is when he knew it was over.
Aragon, he was undone by the resurgence of Dani. After that all he hoped was putting Honda between him and lorenzo. However, the reverse happened, except Motegi. I would say, even till the race day at sepang, he was on top of his game plan. When lorenzo, missed the first row start, Rossi's plan was going fine. However, when situation puts Marc with him, minutes (or is it seconds) after lorenzo overtook him at the end of first corner, VR's worst nightmare starts unfolding. His figment of imagination, becomes a reality and can clearly 7 points eaten out of his lead. VR lost his cool and rest is history.

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Definitely a disappointing season results-wise from Rossi in the context of his relative pace to the field compared to 2014 & 2015. Tight loss to Dovi & Marquez at Qatar where he had chances IMO, crash at Austin, crash at Assen and another farcical pit stop race tactically in Sachsenring cost him probably around 60-70 points to Marquez, and combined with Mugello and its probable 29 point difference, the championship is pretty much done (I'd give Marquez around 95% chance of winning the title atm).

Oh well, at least he is in a decent position to beat Lorenzo close to his prime as his teammate three years in a row at the age of 35-37, 9-11 years removed from his peak and 6-8 from his prime. That's pretty good IMO.
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Definitely a disappointing season results-wise from Rossi in the context of his relative pace to the field compared to 2014 & 2015. Tight loss to Dovi & Marquez at Qatar where he had chances IMO, crash at Austin, crash at Assen and another farcical pit stop race tactically in Sachsenring cost him probably around 60-70 points to Marquez, and combined with Mugello and its probable 29 point difference, the championship is pretty much done (I'd give Marquez around 95% chance of winning the title atm).

Oh well, at least he is in a decent position to beat Lorenzo close to his prime as his teammate three years in a row at the age of 35-37, 9-11 years removed from his peak and 6-8 from his prime. That's pretty good IMO.
I think you are forgetting who the champion was last year. Plus, i believe if normality resumes, Lorenzo will beat Rossi this year.
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"I raced with a knife at my throat..."

Very colorful.

Sour grapes make for an awful whine.

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I think you are forgetting who the champion was last year. Plus, i believe if normality resumes, Lorenzo will beat Rossi this year.
Oh I know Lorenzo had 5 more points at the end of the season, I just believe Rossi lost (much) more points than that on factors outside of his control in the last 2 and maybe even 3 races. I don't believe either lost points outside of their control before PI.

That's your belief, I think Rossi has a decent chance considering Rossi has had the better pace in at least 7/11 races so far, is leading on points and Lorenzo struggling on the wet nowadays.
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Aragon, he was undone by the resurgence of Dani. After that all he hoped was putting Honda between him and lorenzo. However, the reverse happened, except Motegi. I would say, even till the race day at sepang, he was on top of his game plan. When lorenzo, missed the first row start, Rossi's plan was going fine. However, when situation puts Marc with him, minutes (or is it seconds) after lorenzo overtook him at the end of first corner, VR's worst nightmare starts unfolding. His figment of imagination, becomes a reality and can clearly 7 points eaten out of his lead. VR lost his cool and rest is history.

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Rossi was never, ever going to beat Pedrosa or Lorenzo at Sepang 2015. Lorenzo passed him on the track without any intervention from MM, and had been faster in every session other than by a few hundredths on the last lap of qualifying. His contretemps with MM at Sepang quite likely gained him 3 points, in that he scored 16 rather than the 13 which were more likely.

His tactics this year which are also failing for reasons already posted are an acknowledgement that his tactics last year ie coming through the field late were also not reliable.

As has also been said, I still don't understand the obsession with the 8th/10th title when he had already proved anything which he could possibly have been required to prove by anyone, pretty much everyone thought he was considerably better than Ago anyway, before all the petulance of his GP bike racing dotage.
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Oh I know Lorenzo had 5 more points at the end of the season, I just believe Rossi lost (much) more points than that on factors OUTSIDE of HIS CONTROL in the LAST 2 and maybe even 3 races. I don't believe either lost points outside of their control before PI.
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Intriguing, please elaborate.

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Oh I know Lorenzo had 5 more points at the end of the season, I just believe Rossi lost (much) more points than that on factors outside of his control in the last 2 and maybe even 3 races. I don't believe either lost points outside of their control before PI.

That's your belief, I think Rossi has a decent chance considering Rossi has had the better pace in at least 7/11 races so far, is leading on points and Lorenzo struggling on the wet nowadays.
The factors outside of his control being that he wasn't fast enough at he end of last season in the dry against MM once he decided to stop crashing, Lorenzo, or Dani Pedrosa on last year's tyres once he regained his health.

Good luck and all credit to him if he had won in 2015 by being better in an unusual number of wet races, the conditions on race day are what they are and the same for all riders, but the series is an all condition series, they currently count both dry and wet races the same regardless of which riders are best suited by those conditions.

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Intriguing, please elaborate.

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Possibility of Marquez playing around with Rossi & Iannone possessing superior pace, allowing the man with the 4th best pace in the race to finish 2nd and the man with probably the 2nd best pace in the race, Rossi, 4th. (I actually did a lap-by-lap analysis of this and tried to post it in the "Will Lorenzo defend his title" thread but it didn't allow me for some reason

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Strong possibility of Rossi being denied the chance to chase after Lorenzo by Marquez, I know Rossi was slow in the beginning and was passed but he had just set his FL and pretty much equalled Lorenzo, despite having to pass Marquez, on the lap before the fireworks started

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strong possibility of Marquez ensuring a Lorenzo victory at Valencia by not passing and only fighting once during the race, re-passing his teammate

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a probable outcome of > 5 points advantage to Lorenzo relative to Rossi outside of his control.
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Wait, so Rossi getting ahead and staying ahead of Marquez was "outside of his control"? So Rossi's pace is unquestionably honest but Marquez's is not?

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