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July 5th, 2016, 05:23 AM   #1
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"Greatest" MotoGP Champion of all time

No surprise Crash.net would actually put something up like this. Of even less surprise is Rossi is leading the way as would be expected, confirming the general ignorance of the majority of the GP fanbase.

MotoGP News - Who's the greatest MotoGP champion of all time?

What I find simply appalling is how little votes some of those names on the list have received. I wouldn't expect any of them to garner as many as Rossi, it being a subjective poll and all. But to see Lawson, Rainey, and Roberts Sr. garner so little is mildly disturbing. I'm a bit surprised at Stoner slotting in behind Rossi. It continues the trend of him becoming more favorable in retirement than he ever was when he was riding.

Now there's no real way to definitively say who the "greatest" GP champion of them all is. However I do feel confident enough to say persuasive cases can be made for certain riders. I also feel confident enough to say a strongly persuasive case can be made against the current front runner, Valentino Rossi who while immensely talented, simply cannot reasonably said to be the best for a plethora of reasons.
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All i know is when they shared the same track, Stoner owned Rossi, spending 70% of that time on inferior machinery. Even more compelling is Lorenzo, who has dominated Rossi in the time they have shared the same track while spending roughly 80% of that time on the same machinery. If you take away the year Rossi had a tire advantage, Lorenzo's dominance on the same machinery is more pronounced. It doesnt take a leap of faith to come to the conclusion that those 2 riders are/were better than Rossi.
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All i know is when they shared the same track, Stoner owned Rossi, spending 70% of that time on inferior machinery. Even more compelling is Lorenzo, who has dominated Rossi in the time they have shared the same track while spending roughly 80% of that time on the same machinery. If you take away the year Rossi had a tire advantage, Lorenzo's dominance on the same machinery is more pronounced. It doesnt take a leap of faith to come to the conclusion that those 2 riders are/were better than Rossi.
To follow upon that....... While he is having a renaissance courtesy of Lorenzo's data this year. Marc on a handicap Honda is keeping him in checked.
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All i know is when they shared the same track, Stoner owned Rossi, spending 70% of that time on inferior machinery. Even more compelling is Lorenzo, who has dominated Rossi in the time they have shared the same track while spending roughly 80% of that time on the same machinery. If you take away the year Rossi had a tire advantage, Lorenzo's dominance on the same machinery is more pronounced. It doesnt take a leap of faith to come to the conclusion that those 2 riders are/were better than Rossi.
" MotoGP" then in terms of talent for me Lorenzo cos he has beaten stoner, Rossi and Marquez.

Popularity, then Rossi hands down
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Mike the Bike.

Won on pretty much every bike he raced, won on roads and short circuits, came back with a dodgy leg and beat the top Brits at Mallory Park at a time when we were still producing top class talent.
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All i know is when they shared the same track, Stoner owned Rossi, spending 70% of that time on inferior machinery. Even more compelling is Lorenzo, who has dominated Rossi in the time they have shared the same track while spending roughly 80% of that time on the same machinery. If you take away the year Rossi had a tire advantage, Lorenzo's dominance on the same machinery is more pronounced. It doesnt take a leap of faith to come to the conclusion that those 2 riders are/were better than Rossi.
That's all you know, you say -- fair enough.
It follows that other people may know more, or in a more discerning way.
Certainly your idea of "owning" seems heavily biased. Neither Stoner nor Lorenzo would ever claim they "owned" Rossi. They fought him on the track and they certainly have no love lost on him, but they surely don't dismiss him like that... They know better.
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That's all you know, you say -- fair enough.
It follows that other people may know more, or in a more discerning way.
Certainly your idea of "owning" seems heavily biased. Neither Stoner nor Lorenzo would ever claim they "owned" Rossi. They fought him on the track and they certainly have no love lost on him, but they surely don't dismiss him like that... They know better.
No ..... they "owned rossi" ........ as does Marquez ........
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That's all you know, you say -- fair enough.
It follows that other people may know more, or in a more discerning way.
Certainly your idea of "owning" seems heavily biased. Neither Stoner nor Lorenzo would ever claim they "owned" Rossi. They fought him on the track and they certainly have no love lost on him, but they surely don't dismiss him like that... They know better.
How bad do the beatings have to be before you can declare someone as your bitch.
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Pedrosa has more wins since the two have been racing together as well, no titles but the other 3 have Pedrosa well covered in race wins.
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Pedrosa has more wins since the two have been racing together as well, no titles but the other 3 have Pedrosa well covered in race wins.
You gotta wonder where the rossi myth comes from ....
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