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June 8th, 2016, 12:37 AM   #451
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Bandwagon fans support whoever is winning. Rossi's fans attended less races while he was on the Ducati, but they didn't jump to another rider's bandwagon. They support Rossi or they support nobody, that's not how I define bandwagon fans.

If JL struggles on the Ducati and rarely gets on the podium, it'll be interesting to see how loyal his fanbase remains.
So they are Rossi fans, not fans of the sport?

Serious question btw, not piss taking in any way
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So they are Rossi fans, not fans of the sport?

Serious question btw, not piss taking in any way
Milestone started making the official MotoGP games in 2013. Here's a look at the covers.





So the 2016 Valentino themed game is the first one they're really making Rossi-centric.




Many Rossi fans aren't very big fans of the sport, at least not in the sense that many of us here are where bike technology is researched and discussed, tires are discussed, and all the riders well known. Many fans are just casual, they tune in on Sunday then don't think about racing again until the next race Sunday.

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Here is what they looked like in the UK for 2013 and 2014....
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Milestone started making the official MotoGP games in 2013. Here's a look at the covers.





So the 2016 Valentino themed game is the first one they're really making Rossi-centric.




Many Rossi fans aren't very big fans of the sport, at least not in the sense that many of us here are where bike technology is researched and discussed, tires are discussed, and all the riders well known. Many fans are just casual, they tune in on Sunday then don't think about racing again until the next race Sunday.


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Here is what they looked like in the UK for 2013 and 2014....
Surprised in shows Cal wheels up ............

I am not a game player so could not even tell you what the Aust ones showed on their covers but no doubt at some stage it would have been CS so obviously they are market tailored a little

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Bandwagon fans support whoever is winning.
And they quickly desert them when they are not...this doesn't necessarily mean defecting to another rider or perhaps team. In the case of many plastic VR fans, given that they have bought into the cult of personality as opposed to being existing followers of the sport, supporting another rider is an unlikely proposition particularly given the hatred and the contempt directed at anyone with the audacity to challenge their hero. Most would rather quit watching the sport altogether than entertain the thought of cheering another rider on the rostrum. Remember, increasingly, the only time these fuckers cheer another rider is when they crash.

You're probably not familiar with the culture of English football, but for want of a better analogy, your argument is akin to suggesting that Manchester United fans would abandon their Club to support Man City because they finished above them. Actually they would simply loose interest in the sport altogether and stay away. Amusing this year how many supposedly fervent 'die hard' Chelsea fans suddenly stopped mentioning football last season and lost interest in football overnight. They didn't suddenly become Spurs fans - (although this is not completely unheard of, it is very rare). Bandwagon hunters, in the sense that most weren't there before Chelsea found significant success in the nineties and when after this years aberration/annus horribilis will be straight back next year when their fortunes are revived. Such is the nature of fair weather fans. With the smaller clubs often only the hard core remain faithful during the hard times.

I repeat, Valentino Rossi is bigger than the sport. Many will simply walk away if he is not the main feature and by the nature of the show...attraction.
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And they quickly desert them when they are not...this doesn't necessarily mean defecting to another rider or perhaps team. In the case of many plastic VR fans, given that they have bought into the cult of personality as opposed to being existing followers of the sport, supporting another rider is an unlikely proposition particularly given the hatred and the contempt directed at anyone with the audacity to challenge their hero. Most would rather quit watching the sport altogether than entertain the thought of cheering another rider on the rostrum. Remember, increasingly, the only time these fuckers cheer another rider is when they crash.

You're probably not familiar with the culture of English football, but for want of a better analogy, your argument is akin to suggesting that Manchester United fans would abandon their Club to support Man City because they finished above them. Actually they would simply loose interest in the sport altogether and stay away. Amusing this year how many supposedly fervent 'die hard' Chelsea fans suddenly stopped mentioning football last season and lost interest in football overnight. They didn't suddenly become Spurs fans - (although this is not completely unheard of, it is very rare). Bandwagon hunters, in the sense that most weren't there before Chelsea found significant success in the nineties and when after this years aberration/annus horribilis will be straight back next year when their fortunes are revived. Such is the nature of fair weather fans. With the smaller clubs often only the hard core remain faithful during the hard times.

I repeat, Valentino Rossi is bigger than the sport. Many will simply walk away if he is not the main feature and by the nature of the show...attraction.

Do you think you could walk up to a group of MM or JL fans, pull a few aside, and have a good conversation about the 500cc era? Would they be able to describe the different characteristics of the Michelins compared to the Bridgestones? Exactly how much more of a "true fan" or follower of the sport do you think they'd be compared average VR46 fans? Is it simply that they would continue to watch the sport after MM or JL retired?
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Thought I would repost these links for some of the more new members to read and digest as in these links (which many here reference from time to time) is a damn fine description of what so irks many.

Irrespective of the take, it will piss some off but it is a damn good read.

Doctored ? MotoGP?s Obsession with Valentino Rossi | Trunk Talk

Doctored: MotoGP?s Obsession with Valentino Rossi ? Part 2 | Trunk Talk


As a suggestion, also review some of the comments posted as it does give an insight to the mindsets involved in fan land (good, bad, ugly and indifferent)
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Do you think you could walk up to a group of MM or JL fans, pull a few aside, and have a good conversation about the 500cc era? Would they be able to describe the different characteristics of the Michelins compared to the Bridgestones? Exactly how much more of a "true fan" or follower of the sport do you think they'd be compared average VR46 fans? Is it simply that they would continue to watch the sport after MM or JL retired?
Perhaps unfortunately for you, I don't think many, or perhaps any, of those you dispute on here are people who have followed the sport for less than a decade, whether or not that is germane in general.

I don't really know about how things are in Spain, but I gather MM is far more popular than JL. From my own biased perception, I suspect in general even in Spain Jorge is only appreciated by afflicionados of the sport given he definitely doesn't go out of his way to be charming or popular; I admit the possibility he couldn't be even if he tried, but applaud him for not really trying to court popularity anyway.

I don't know about MM, but I suspect most people on here at least, and non-Spanish fans in general, who admire him are captivated by his talent and the way he rides rather than his winsome personality or his capacity for pithy and witty one-liners in English, and if he is playing devious media games they are too subtle for me to detect.
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Do you think you could walk up to a group of MM or JL fans, pull a few aside, and have a good conversation about the 500cc era? Would they be able to describe the different characteristics of the Michelins compared to the Bridgestones? Exactly how much more of a "true fan" or follower of the sport do you think they'd be compared average VR46 fans? Is it simply that they would continue to watch the sport after MM or JL retired?
A good question MV. I certainly think that they would be more inclined to stay watching the sport than Valentino’s fan base and perhaps as you suggested in some cases jump on another winning bandwagon when their riders are no longer out there. On the subject of the latter, I found it interesting that prior to his death, Marco Simoncelli was generating a substantial fan base – in my opinion owing as much to his charisma, personality and wild style that his outright talent on a motorcycle. I did speculate at the time how many of these had been Rossi fans prior to his fall from grace at Ducati and there may be some truth in your observation. I am of the opinion that Max Biaggi fans didn’t all abandon GP for WSB and either followed another rider or continued to appreciate both series. I also noticed that followers of Casey Stoner tend to be followers of the sport first and foremost, that many still remain and like myself are unaffiliated. Also appreciate that motorsport breeds fans and devotees of a particular make and factory over rider. Always struck me that during the Fogarty years and the peak popularity of WSB, there were fans of Carl and the Ducati brand in equal measure. Incidentally, I notice that your avi is currently depicting Haga’s R7. Beautiful, beautiful motorcycle that and one of the few positive things to come out of Ducati writing the rule book in the late 1990s.

At the risk of repetition, (but in my defence, you don’t appear to appreciate my point), many Valentino fans have bought into a cult of personality and are oblivious to the sport itself. This is not so prevalent in the case of Marquez and Lorenzo fans - although you may well insist that this is purely in the absence of a personality to buy into – but such riders, Max and Stoner included, don’t rely on a largely false manufactured image which for all the yellow smokescreen around Rossi, is actually quite transparent to the objective observer.

Regarding deference to the history or technical details of the sport, I would argue that although it is not a necessity, it certainly enhances ones appreciation and introduces valuable context and insight. Why would you not want to explore this, or understand what went before or even the most elementary rudiments of tyres, configuration and displacement for example? There are superficial fans in all camps, granted – but in answer to your question, I would contend less so than those that choose to nail any other colour than yellow to their mast.
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