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April 20th, 2016, 07:04 AM   #41
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Just some food for thought...John McGuinness set the fastest lap around the Isle of Man Circuit last year at the age of 43 and he just turned 44 on April 16th.
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While I'm at it, should I Google the press release where Carmelo outlines his preferential treatment of Rossi?

I'll tell you what, I'll keep looking for Michelin's press release where they openly admit to providing Rossi the good stuff. Meanwhile, you look for the official Russian government press release where they openly admit to attacking and invading Ukraine with soldiers who removed their insignias. Both incidents apparently "conspiracies".

I am a Luddite who doesn't do links.

I did find Tweets/a Twitter exchange of some interest linked to on a site.
"The old Michelin Race day Specials".
motobanzai.com.myfreeforum.org.archive

Tweet from Dennis Noyes
This tyre delivery resulted after one was rejected by another rider in Toni Elias' historic and significant victory
7:16 am 10 Dec 2013 from Borrego Springs

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The rejector was Dani Pedrosa

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Yes, he was
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Lol do you even try to understand what you read before you open your mouth? The point is the tire was cooked to Rossi formula and that should give him the advantage over other riders. Pedrosa couldn't use Rossi tires but Toni Elias got his hands on the Rossi tires at Estoril and we know what happened.
This is all just bullshit hearsay. It's all a bunch of he said she said. There's no hard evidence to back this crap up.
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My post was in agreeance with you as well. I just found a study that showed reflex's between age groups. The difference between 25-35 age group as i expected was almost immeasurable. 35-45 was considerably more measurable Oddly enough, the age group that was quickest was from 7-14.
ALMOST immeasurable, is not immeasurable, now is it? And when you are talking about a sport that is measured in hundredths of a second, every little bit makes a difference.
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ALMOST immeasurable, is not immeasurable, now is it? And when you are talking about a sport that is measured in hundredths of a second, every little bit makes a difference.
Can you read? Povol and I are talking about when he was 27 or 28, not 37.

As I have also repeatedly pointed out to you, by your self defeating argument Rossi didn't actually have any significant opposition at the "prime" age of 25 given Max was 33 then and Sete 32. Mick Doohan also beat Max when Max was 26 to win his 5th title at the age of 33.

Even at this elite level these guys don't have exactly the same reflexes when their reflexes are at their peak anyway.
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ALMOST immeasurable, is not immeasurable, now is it? And when you are talking about a sport that is measured in hundredths of a second, every little bit makes a difference.
Hundredths do matter, the reflex test i was alluding to were calculated in milliseconds and the difference was miniscule. If you really want to split hairs, the test showed all riders are past their "prime" before they ever reached the series as the fastest reflexes were the 7-14 age group.
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ok, another link, with a different tale, this time is Kropotkin writing. the fourth paragraph is:



quote: "In this case, Elias was handed a set of ‘Saturday night specials’ destined for Dani Pedrosa, but which Pedrosa had elected not to use, and so were going spare. Elias liked the same kind of soft carcass tire that Pedrosa was being offered, and went on to exploit the advantage it offered."



Friday Summary at Qatar: The Myth of Fairness & Aleix Espargaro's One-Man Revolution - Asphalt & Rubber
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ok, another link, with a different tale, this time is Kropotkin writing. the fourth paragraph is:



quote: "In this case, Elias was handed a set of ‘Saturday night specials’ destined for Dani Pedrosa, but which Pedrosa had elected not to use, and so were going spare. Elias liked the same kind of soft carcass tire that Pedrosa was being offered, and went on to exploit the advantage it offered."



Friday Summary at Qatar: The Myth of Fairness & Aleix Espargaro's One-Man Revolution - Asphalt & Rubber
Ok, so if multiple riders were being tailored to, such as Dani, then it's clear they weren't just tailoring these tires to one man. Even though he is the greatest man to ever walk the planet.
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Just some food for thought...John McGuinness set the fastest lap around the Isle of Man Circuit last year at the age of 43 and he just turned 44 on April 16th.
JPS you are nothing but a fake supervillain.
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I am a Luddite who doesn't do links.

I did find Tweets/a Twitter exchange of some interest linked to on a site.
"The old Michelin Race day Specials".
motobanzai.com.myfreeforum.org.archive

Tweet from Dennis Noyes
This tyre delivery resulted after one was rejected by another rider in Toni Elias' historic and significant victory
7:16 am 10 Dec 2013 from Borrego Springs

Sir Guy of Guisborne
@DennisNoyes@TobyMoody
The rejector was Dani Pedrosa

Dennis Noyes
@G.H Anderson @TobyMoody
Yes, he was
My dear friend, you are certainly not a Luddite, that nickname goes to Arrabi. (An inside joke amongst his texting friends.)

Thanks for finding that exchange. I knew it was out there, and not just in tweets. I'm sure the underlying meaning will be lost for my buddy Migs.

Somewhere in a post long long ago I quoted Randy Mamola's Alpinestars blog (link now apparently defunct) on the subject. Unlike Dennis Noyes' cryptic tweet, Mamola left nothing for the imagination.

In the words of Migs, this 'proves' that tires supposedly tailored for Pedrosa were not actually tailored for Pedrosa!

According to the article Migs cites which according to him "proved" SNS were provided to others not just Rossi, which we already knew. This proves that the SNS were not in fact tailored to others.

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