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January 5th, 2016, 06:46 AM   #221
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I like Stoner, but i'm not sure he'd be fighting for wins again after 3 years off. A lot of people expected Bayliss to be running at the front in WSBK when he subbed for Gugliano early last yr but he was in the lower end of the top 10.
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I like Stoner, but i'm not sure he'd be fighting for wins again after 3 years off. A lot of people expected Bayliss to be running at the front in WSBK when he subbed for Gugliano early last yr but he was in the lower end of the top 10.
Stoner recently said as much. He said he wasn't planning on winning, but rather having some fun racing and replacing a good friend.
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Hi Migs, I don't think Stoner is saying anything some of us already knew. Except when some of us say it, it's just conspiracy, until tid bits come out to confirm it. Maybe you should start listening to me more often. Casey is basically confirming what some of us said at the time, that Marquez's crew cock blocked Stoner's return to racing.

I doubt it was Marquez specifically, I'd bet it was his chickenshit crew, who I think are slime balls, particularly Santi & Alzamora.

Edit to add: I think Marquez doesn't think like this. I don't think he is this Machiavellian mastermind like Rossi, who has been known to veto teammates who were threats to him. Rossi didn't want Casey along side him and he did everything he could to get away from Lorenzo. I'm glad Yamaha had more balls at the time not to cave in to Rossi's pressure to make Lorenzo number 2. So Rossi left. Of course his return was brokered by the League, who under Carmelo has considerable influence. Honda had an opportunity to veto Marc's crew's influence, but given at the time they were looking at a 3rd title with Marquez, perhaps Nakamoto was persuaded not to upset the dynamic. Marquez is a much pure racer than Rossi ever was, I doubt he is preoccupied with racing politics like Rossi, Santi Hernandez, and Alzamora, similar to Alberto Puig. Those guys advance their careers through pulling power politics.
I think this quite a bit as well.

Given how out of his element he was when VR decided to turn the guns on him, I think he's another hyper-competitive racer who still on some level believes his talent is what matters most and that's what will settle all questions. He just wants to race much the way Stoner did, and others have.

The entourages these guys drag around are problematic. It's a shame because no one needed this shit years ago. Now ever top racer thinks they have to carry around a bunch of hangers-on.
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I like Stoner, but i'm not sure he'd be fighting for wins again after 3 years off. A lot of people expected Bayliss to be running at the front in WSBK when he subbed for Gugliano early last yr but he was in the lower end of the top 10.
I don't think comparing Bayliss to Stoner is even close to an accurate comparison tbh.

I dunno man, Stoner was a once in a lifetime talent that for as good as the current top guys are, still aren't as good as he was. I think all he would need is one race to ramp up. He's still young enough. He put little prep in for the 8 Hours of Suzuka, and he was at or near the top of the sheets right away.
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Well I'd like to be proved wrong, but hopfully this year we find out!
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Well I'd like to be proved wrong, but hopfully this year we find out!
Agreed.

On a different subject, does anyone other than me find it interesting how outraged Migs is over what Casey said, meanwhile, when his hero crashed out MM, there was no outrage from Migs about it?
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So now Casey is saying that he feels Marquez and his crew are or were threatened by him...
MotoGP News - Stoner: Marquez felt threatened with me at Honda

If he is going to throwing BS like that around then he needs to get off his retired ass, and ask to race from day 1 of 2016...Casey being as good as he was on the old Duc then he should be able to win on the 2016 at Qatar, even on Michelins, with no problem at all...

It sounds to me like maybe Casey is a bit bitter about MM overshadowing Casey's legacy within 5 minutes of arriving at HRC...
i have to agree with you, its kinda arrogant to come up and say something like that, after all at that stage the guy was the reigning and 2 time world champion and the main contender, coming up and saying this guy was threatened by someone who hasnt been racing for couple of years ! huh?! but on the other hand it make sense too, wasnt marquez critical about his testing and contribution and.... i could imaging him not wanting casey racing beside him even if cant be competitive. i do love casey but just cant figure out whats the point of saying something like that(on that manner) other than raising bad blood or whatever,

ps; guys, seriously, how did you manage to get rossi into this! thats just weird.
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i have to agree with you, its kinda arrogant to come up and say something like that, after all at that stage the guy was the reigning and 2 time world champion and the main contender, coming up and saying this guy was threatened by someone who hasnt been racing for couple of years ! huh?! but on the other hand it make sense too, wasnt marquez critical about his testing and contribution and.... i could imaging him not wanting casey racing beside him even if cant be competitive. i do love casey but just cant figure out whats the point of saying something like that(on that manner) other than raising bad blood or whatever,

ps; guys, seriously, how did you manage to get rossi into this! thats just weird.
It's understandable that MM might feel threatened. Stoner's legend is larger than life, and MM has never raced him. Even if MM has made his mark in the premier class he's still, relatively speaking, the new kid in town. Folks always falsely assume that the guy at the top is without insecurity, but that's never the case. And MM hasn't exactly had a stellar season in 2015 - so his confidence is probably not at it's highest mark just now.
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Let us not forget that MM criticised (or allegedly criticised) the very feed back taht Stoner had provided to Honda at the start of season 2015 with regards to the engine characteristics and suggested certain improvements.

If I recall the comment (which is elsewhere in the forum) MM made comments regarding poor feedback from the test riders - found this version of it

“With regard to the evolution of the bike, it’s been made for the Japanese tester. When Stoner tested the bike, he identified the problem, but it’s clear after not riding a MotoGP bike for a year, you can’t develop anything.”

Source - Marquez doesn't think Stoner can develop his bike - GPxtra


Plus there have been numerous comments reputedly made by MM regarding CS' ability (or lack thereof) as the test rider.

Reading the article however I do not see it so much as anything other than answers to questions that had been posed and with journalism that leaves out the question asked it is difficult to read whether it is a jab or a response to a leading question

Either way, personally I like it ............... good to see some verbal sparring but we should also remember that MM and Alzamora did pretty much ditch Stoner's team so there is no doubt, little love lost between the two.
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It's understandable that MM might feel threatened. Stoner's legend is larger than life, and MM has never raced him. Even if MM has made his mark in the premier class he's still, relatively speaking, the new kid in town. Folks always falsely assume that the guy at the top is without insecurity, but that's never the case. And MM hasn't exactly had a stellar season in 2015 - so his confidence is probably not at it's highest mark just now.
as ive stated i have no argument over your point. but the decision was made at the start of 2015, so they didnt know how season could turn out back then.

my problem was with casey's comment and in they way he was saying, he could simply come up and say my contribution to Honda was not appreciated and so on, not mentioning names and being specific,....

unless you feel something like this(which is completely respectable.):

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Either way, personally I like it ............... good to see some verbal sparring but we should also remember that MM and Alzamora did pretty much ditch Stoner's team so there is no doubt, little love lost between the two.
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