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November 12th, 2015, 04:55 AM   #101
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I love how it has to be Hate between CS and Honda...must sell page clicks...Instead of a contract expired and new options.
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The stories are coming out now about how badly HRC treated Stoner. I'm told the straw that broke the camels back was when Honda issued him a $10 million check and didnt emboss his name on it. The word is, they only used standard printer ink.
What an insult.
Surely they had access to high quality parchment and calligraphy, they are Japanese after all. Casey's chagrin was obviously well justified.

I think the broken shoulder and leg from the throttle problem which they initially denied may also have stretched the friendship.
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None of the people that praise his feedback are riders and Gabbarini and Suppo would never say anything negative about Stoner. The only one who can ride the bike he "develops" is him. But I have pointed out before that his best year on both hrc and ducati were his first. That doesn't speak well about his ability to develop.
When a rider "develops" a bike - his priority is to customize it to suit himself, which Stoner obviously did quite well given the results he obtained. If others weren't talented enough to make use of the changes suggested by Stoner, that's their failing.

I thought for sure this tiresome subject was dead and buried. But since it's arisen from the grave like some weary zombie cliche, it bears mentioning that the same would hold true for Rossi, who was heralded by the Boppers as being a genius at development. Once Lorenzo joined him at Yamaha Lorenzo's bike was refined to suit him, not Rossi. And then when Rossi went to Ducati - he couldn't manage to do shit with the Ducati, whereas Stoner kicked ass on the Ducati and won championships with it - exploding the silly myth that Stoner didn't know how to give feedback. Races and championships don't lie. Fact.
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I love how it has to be Hate between CS and Honda...must sell page clicks...Instead of a contract expired and new options.
Casey being unhappy with Honda was in a for our eyes only post by David Emmett, not on his own site or much in the general press afaik. I am sure David is correct, even apart from similar posts on here by him proving correct before, but Casey hates HRC doesn't seem to be the theme of the general coverage.
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He made some very sharp comments:

"Tras un año sin ir en moto está claro que (Stoner) no puede desarrollar nada”

"After a year without jumping on a bike, it's obvious that he can't develop anything".
Read the fucking text again. It was Stoner saying very clearly that issue was due to the bike being primarily developed by a slow Japanese rider
for a year, there was no way he could could magically undo all the new changes that negatively affected the bike. He said he knew what the problems
consisted of - but not wanting to give away Honda secrets, it would have been impolitic (not to mention a breech of his contract) to elucidate further.

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For someone who wants to bring down the vitriol and gain the upper ground...well. let's push some shit in here.
That said, I hope CS goes to Ducati and rips laptimes on the "shit" Michelins. Then laughs and heads back to retirement.
As I wrote. No laptimes. No care.

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Read the fucking text again. It was Stoner saying very clearly that issue was due to the bike being primarily developed by a slow Japanese rider
for a year, there was no way he could could magically undo all the new changes that negatively affected the bike. He said he knew what the problems
consisted of - but not wanting to give away Honda secrets, it would have been impolitic (not to mention a breech of his contract) to elucidate further.
Relax, man. Why are you so worked up?

Here's my translation - MM said that "the Japanese test rider developed the bike. Stoner, when he participated in the test, tried the bike, but it's obvious that he can't develop anything".

I think CS would respond to that by saying that he doesn't need to ride the bike week in, week out. He jumped on the bike, pointed out its flaws, and that was that.

"Un poco sí íbamos probando chasis y quizá el problema que teníamos, y que según nuestro equipo es el carácter del motor, allí quedaba disimulado, por las condiciones tan altas que había de temperatura, ya que cuando hace tanto calor la moto corre menos. Por lo que respecta a la evolución de la moto, al final la ha hecho el piloto de pruebas japonés. Stoner, cuando hizo el test probó la moto, pero está claro que después de un año sin ir en moto, no puede desarrollar nada."
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When a rider "develops" a bike - his priority is to customize it to suit himself, which Stoner obviously did quite well given the results he obtained. If others weren't talented enough to make use of the changes suggested by Stoner, that's their failing.

I thought for sure this tiresome subject was dead and buried. But since it's arisen from the grave like some weary zombie cliche, it bears mentioning that the same would hold true for Rossi, who was heralded by the Boppers as being a genius at development. Once Lorenzo joined him at Yamaha Lorenzo's bike was refined to suit him, not Rossi. And then when Rossi went to Ducati - he couldn't manage to do shit with the Ducati, whereas Stoner kicked ass on the Ducati and won championships with it - exploding the silly myth that Stoner didn't know how to give feedback. Races and championships don't lie. Fact.
Well fuck me. As you can see that was a perfectly reasonable debate myself and Gazzie poo were having. And as you can see by the end in the replies it was over. This is a perfectly relevant debate dip shit so chill. But I'll play since you are feeling feisty. How in the fuck is it helpful to "develop" a bike for yourself when you are retired? That makes about as much sense as owning a harmonics store in NYC. And don't bring Rossi into this this thread is about Stoner and his abilities. You want to talk about Rossi do it with all the noobies in about 100 other threads. Grumpy old man.

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For someone who wants to bring down the vitriol and gain the upper ground...well. let's push some shit in here.
That said, I hope CS goes to Ducati and rips laptimes on the "shit" Michelins. Then laughs and heads back to retirement.
As I wrote. No laptimes. No care.

edit:that was for Michaelm
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Stoner has one card yet to play.

He's the most talented rider and you'll be shocked when he gets the fastest time right from the first lap at the first free practice.

Do not understimate him, for this is his talent and what he knows to do better than any other rider.

For Stoner, lapping as fast as hell in a GP bike is like riding a bicycle: you never forget how to do it.
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Based on Jack Millers comments at the testing (link posted earlier by #22 - MotoGP News - Valencia MotoGP Test: Miller: Smile on my face says it all) he absolutely agrees.

On riding the 2015 bike with 2015 electronics compared to the 2016 electronics

“I hear the other guys down there are having a problem with the 2016 electronics, but we've been on that shit all year, and we know what it's like,” he said.

“Nobody believed Nicky [Hayden], Eugene [Laverty] or I when we said it was not fucking working, and now look at it. Coming back to it is like giving candy to a kid to take it away again and watching him cry, but that's how it is.



The more I see and read I enjoy ............ love the non -political correctness

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Calling Neil Hodgson a 'wanker' on the world feed sealed it for me. But this definitely confirms my like of the lad.
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