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November 10th, 2015, 10:46 PM   #71
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You give every indication of being an honest and rational Rossi fan, and good luck to you.

I can't agree with all your arguments though. Absolutely implicit in Rossi's whinging about the last 3 races was a belief that MM was faster than both him and Lorenzo, and hence able to interfere, in his view unfairly , with the championship result. Neither he, nor with respect you, can have it both ways.

Being faster includes qualifying and the early laps, which have always been a factor in race results which cannot be dismissed just because their influence doesn't suit Rossi. VR has just been flat out faster in a few races, of course in the wet, but also in dry races suited by the "hard" tyre. Otherwise, he has mainly relied on catching Jorge late because Jorge has had tyre problems or visor problems, although I have some suspicion the visor problems were really tyre problems as well. If Valentino gets a late race advantage by not going hard early which negates the advantage of Jorge's early race pace, good for him, but I can't see why he should be entitled to have the rest of the field not race him on his way forward as he seemed to be arguing should be the case in the late season races.
ok, maybe being faster has different meaning to me, its not sprint, its more of marathon tbh, of course every one of these 4 can set a blistering 1 or 2 lap(like marquez sometime does) and break away in front and break every record and etc... but is it a necessary risk to take?!!! no, not really, to me being fast means being fast through out the whole race, tire management,heat,whether ,... all comes to play,and these riders have different style of riding too, im not taking anything away from lorenzo cuz he has done a magnificent job at being consistently fast, but what im saying is if push comes to shove and these 4 ppl have to race each other , they all can carry the same amount of pace.

lots ppl are saying lorenzo won the championship cuz he was the fastest and rossi couldnt match his pace, what im saying is that its not that simple and it doesnt hurt to see things from different perspective,

* lorenzo won the championship cuz he was the fastest,imo no, he won because of his consistence pace during most of the races but one more important thing was rossi's mistake OUTSIDE the RACE, which gave lorenzo the edge, and that doesnt just mean press conference or mind games or these bs,it means Q and P sessions as well,.. did he deserve to win it? absolutely.

* rossi might say marquez cost me the championship, nope,somebody has to tell him championship was yours lose, and you lost it beacase of your mistakes outside the race cuz imo its very hard to find false note in rossi'e races during the whole season.

about the first part of your post; he says marquez was faster than us in PI and hondas are better in valencia(and stuff like that), which he kinda have to do that if he wants to justify his STUPID accusations.

and about your last part of arguement; have you really heard him saying those words? dont think so, its just implied that way (imo)

as far as fan goes, i really dont care much, i like this sport and i enjoy racing of course. but do i enjoy watching rossi's race more than others ? yes,do i respect him as a RACER? yes, but do i respect him as person? not really.

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ok, maybe being faster has different meaning to me, its not sprint, its more of marathon tbh, of course every one of these 4 can set a blistering 1 or 2 lap(like marquez sometime does) and break away in front and break every record and etc... but is it a necessary risk to take?!!! no, not really, to me being fast means being fast through out the whole race, tire management,heat,whether ,... all comes to play,and these riders have different style of riding too, im not taking anything away from lorenzo cuz he has done a magnificent job at being consistently fast, but what im saying is if push comes to shove and these 4 ppl have to race each other , they all can carry the same amount of pace.

lots ppl are saying lorenzo won the championship cuz he was the fastest and rossi couldnt match his pace, what im saying is that its not that simple and it doesnt hurt to see things from different perspective,

* lorenzo won the championship cuz he was the fastest,imo no, he won because of his consistence pace during most of the races but one more important thing was rossi's mistake OUTSIDE the RACE, which gave lorenzo the edge, and that doesnt just mean press conference or mind games or these bs,it means Q and P sessionsand etc,.. did he deserve to win it? absolutely.

* rossi might say marquez cost me the championship, nope,somebody has to tell him championship was yours lose, and you lost it beacase of your mistakes.

about the first part of your post; i dont really think rossi believe that himself, he is just trying justify his STUPID accusations.

and about your last part of arguement; have you really heard him saying those words? dont think so, its just implied that way by the media(imo)

as far as fan goes, i really dont care much, i like this sport and i enjoy racing of course. but do i enjoy watching rossi's race more than others ? yes,do i respect him as a RACER? yes, but do i respect him as person? not really.
I should add we are talking about a 22 year old MM and a 28 year old JL being marginally faster than a 36 year old Rossi if they were faster.

What annoyed me as someone who was fairly strongly supporting Jorge this season was not the Sepang race but the pre-race press conference, and reports which seem to have now come from a number of sources including Kropotkin that he had questioned Dani Pedrosa as to why he had raced him so hard at Aragon, and less well sourced rumours he had spoken privately to Iannone about the PI race, which seemed in keeping with his attitude in the Sepang press conference and later that day with the Italian press.

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Interesting read, thanks chaps (I mean the posts more than the original article).

As I have said in another thread, search the internet high and low for comments on the Phillip Island race between 25th October and Thursday morning 29th October before the now famous Rossi comments in the press conference. You will not find anyone or any post anywhere commenting on Marquez' pace in that race. Not even journalists close to the paddock mentioned any whispers, ANYTHING unusual about Marquez pace.

Then suddenly, moments after Rossi makes statements saying Marquez was impeding him, many armchair experts proclaim their god was right and that it was 'obvious' he was impeding Rossi. If it were so obvious from the race footage, why did not one of the millions of people watching the race live on October 25th make any mention of it?

I'm still unsure of Sepang, whether Marquez was racing Rossi hard for position or to an extent messing with him and I'll never know for sure just like most of us. However what I do know is if I went to any competitor I know and basically called them a cheat in front of the worlds press, I'd be sure as shit they would take it out on me on track.

What people forget is ROSSI started ALL of this. He has continually used mind games and his crazed fanbase to his advantage when it comes to racing rivals amongst other things, and this time it completely backfired on him. You don't piss someone off who has nothing to lose when you have a championship at stake. If he had quietly spoke to Marquez just as he did with Pedrosa and Iannone then none of this would have happened, though I still suspect that Lorenzo would have won the championship.

As Jumkie said months ago. This championship was Rossi's to lose and not only has he lost it, but he has seemed to lose his head too.
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Also an interesting article here, going over what the author predicted at the start of the season but also covers the Sepang/Valencia controversy:

So That Happened ? Looking Back the 2015 MotoGP Season | Trunk Talk
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Also an interesting article here, going over what the author predicted at the start of the season but also covers the Sepang/Valencia controversy:

So That Happened ? Looking Back the 2015 MotoGP Season | Trunk Talk
Geez there are some good reads there.

Have to say (and no doubt this will not make some happy) but his explanations are entirely logical and I expect them to be 100% correct but then, he says what many of us are saying.

Thanks 22.
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I'm still unsure of Sepang, whether Marquez was racing Rossi hard for position or to an extent messing with him and I'll never know for sure just like most of us.
In respect of PI, if the allegations of Rossi and his largely in'doc'trinated fanbase are correct, then Marc spent the entire race toying with him, only to return to business when he got bored and dispense with Lorenzo on the last lap for the hell of it.

Apart from suggesting that the maladies afflicting the 2015 RCV were pretty much sorted, around PI - a true racers circuit - that takes serious talent and hardly augers well for either of them next year.
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In respect of PI, if the allegations of Rossi and his largely in'doc'trinated fanbase are correct, then Marc spent the entire race toying with him, only to return to business when he got bored and dispense with Lorenzo on the last lap for the hell of it.

Apart from suggesting that the maladies afflicting the 2015 RCV were pretty much sorted, around PI - a true racers circuit - that takes serious talent and hardly augers well for either of them next year.
That's the thing, if what Rossi has contended is true then it is all over for about the next 10 years.

Dani Pedrosa's pace at Sepang was encouraging from the point of view of there not being a decade long total eclipse of the field by MM, but I guess Dani has shown such pace in previous years against peak Rossi, peak Lorenzo, and peak Stoner on the same bike for that matter, just not consistently.
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Also an interesting article here, going over what the author predicted at the start of the season but also covers the Sepang/Valencia controversy:

So That Happened ? Looking Back the 2015 MotoGP Season | Trunk Talk
thanks for the article. Decent turn of phrase on Trunkman.
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