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October 2nd, 2015, 02:14 PM   #1
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Honda or Yamaha; which will suffer the most from change to Michelins?

I reckon the first half of the season will be pretty chaotic considering that not only will everybody be running on Michelins - but they will also be doing it with the control ECU.

Tho as things stand Ducati (correct me if I'm wrong) hasn't garnered enough podium spots and will be allowed to use their proprietary ECU until they do - so they might have some advantage while Honda and Yamaha are working with the control ECU to make the most out of the Michelins. Pretty intriguing considering how little has been revealed about the Michelin testing thus far and what there has been hasn't sounded promising.
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I reckon the first half of the season will be pretty chaotic considering that not only will everybody be running on Michelins - but they will also be doing it with the control ECU.

Tho as things stand Ducati (correct me if I'm wrong) hasn't garnered enough podium spots and will be allowed to use their proprietary ECU until they do - so they might have some advantage while Honda and Yamaha are working with the control ECU to make the most out of the Michelins. Pretty intriguing considering how little has been revealed about the Michelin testing thus far and what there has been hasn't sounded promising.
Regarding the shareware, as I mentioned recently, HRC were very much behind it. Primarily because it is no longer to be derived from RPM and throttle response electronics but torque sensors which they have not only collated significant data through trials but are also very aware of the technical manpower and logistics required to extrapolate meaningful results and optimise the package.

Lap times will plummet next season, but I expect the Michelins to be more user friendly than the 'stones once the machinery and riders have adapted. Marquez will continue to push a super stiff carcass which is no longer there.
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Regarding the shareware, as I mentioned recently, HRC were very much behind it. Primarily because it is no longer to be derived from RPM and throttle response electronics but torque sensors which they have not only collated significant data through trials but are also very aware of the technical manpower and logistics required to extrapolate meaningful results and optimise the package.

Lap times will plummet next season, but I expect the Michelins to be more user friendly than the 'stones once the machinery and riders have adapted. Marquez will continue to push a super stiff carcass which is no longer there.
Right. Marquez will suffer the most imho, followed by Rossi; Pedrosa will suffer less and Lorenzo may not suffer at all. He's the top rider who stresses the front the least.
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Jorge may stress the front least under braking since his style carries the most corner speed but... if the Bib fronts don't provide edge grip he's fooked.
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Lap times will plummet next season, but I expect the Michelins to be more user friendly than the 'stones once the machinery and riders have adapted. Marquez will continue to push a super stiff carcass which is no longer there.

Arrab, that almost reads as if you are saying that Marquez is either very slow to learn, unable to change or unwilling to change as 'he knows better'.

Whilst I am likely wrong in the reading it does raise the question of can he learn and/or change as so far in 2015 questions are getting asked louder and louder.



As to who will be most affected, I have NFI as I have not been able to watch this year as closely as years past but I do suspect that Michelin will get it right although I can already see the 'headlines' (bot forum and media release) for when it goes pear shaped on a per rider basis
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If I had to guess.... (and no I haven't read this whole thread yet) I'm going to say honda and not because of the machines... because of their riders. MM is very comfortable on his current tires and pushes them past their limits often. Much more than any other rider. I think he's going to have one very sharp learning curve ahead of him.
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History says MM is unwilling/unable to learn.

One only has to look at his history with unsafe riding on the track to see that in spite of the penalties he received, he seemed genuinely in disbelief that he received a penalty. He believes he can do no wrong, and has stated that he can only ride fast if he is allowed to ride the bike in the manner he rode it when he bagged his championships.

That is not a good sign when a rider openly states that they have to ride the bike in one particular way to go fast as possible. Shows a lack of adaptability. Actually what we have seen out of MM this season is down to a lack of adaptability imo...as opposed to the bike being hard to ride. The way the RCV looks this year is the same way it looked under MM in 2013 and 2014, all over the place. Only, the bike no longer runs away from everyone else.

If Michelin opts not to tailor the tires to allow for riding the shit out of the front, MM is going to have an interesting few years ahead of him. I still think he will win races, but the MM as an alien byline is going to be out the window quite quickly.
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Jorge may stress the front least under braking since his style carries the most corner speed but... if the Bib fronts don't provide edge grip he's fooked.
Edge grip Michelin provided already in 2008, front and rear, so why not now -- it's the Bridgestone capacity to stand any kind of harsh treatment in aggressive corner entry that will be missed by MM and VR.
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I think what you're going to see from the Michelin's next year, is that unless the tire is tailored specifically for VR, Lorenzo is going to romp his way to the 2016 title. In the current era of MotoGP, I believe Jorge Lorenzo is the fastest rider on the grid period, only it can be a little bit difficult to pickup because of how smooth he is on the circuit. But what I would say is that some of the fastest racers in history have been notoriously smooth riders, so smooth that people thought they went slow because there was no sense of being on the ragged edge.

Take a look as this slow-mo of Lorenzo, there is none of the twitchiness or rampant front end abuse that MM has.

Jorge Lorenzo [720p] - Gfycat
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I think what you're going to see from the Michelin's next year, is that unless the tire is tailored specifically for VR, Lorenzo is going to romp his way to the 2016 title. In the current era of MotoGP, I believe Jorge Lorenzo is the fastest rider on the grid period, only it can be a little bit difficult to pickup because of how smooth he is on the circuit. But what I would say is that some of the fastest racers in history have been notoriously smooth riders, so smooth that people thought they went slow because there was no sense of being on the ragged edge.



Take a look as this slow-mo of Lorenzo, there is none of the twitchiness or rampant front end abuse that MM has.



Jorge Lorenzo [720p] - Gfycat

I like the way you think, but "romp"is a little optimistic of a word to use.
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