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October 2nd, 2015, 12:40 AM   #1
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Rossi crashed during the Michelin tests at Aragon.
Lorenzo, wisely, refused to test.
In the previous test all of them crashed: Marquez, Lorenzo, Rossi.

Now, apart from the timing of these tests -- putting at risk riders who are fighting for the title with four races to go -- there are implications that are becoming clear regarding the switch to Michelin in 2016.

The Michelin front is no match for the Bridgestone. All MotoGP riders will have to change their habits, and that's not easy -- as the crashes show. In particular, riders who are using the front heavily could be obliged to ease it and change their style.

Riders like Marquez and Rossi might suffer the change more than riders like Pedrosa and Lorenzo. Marc in particular might have trouble keeping his fantastic corner entry speed, on a Michelin front.
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Were they all front end loses though J4 or is there a level of assumption (genuine question by the way as I have seen no reports)?

If they were all front end loses what were the track conditions (temps etc) and time of day of the accidents?

Asking as whilst no doubt the different manufacturers will have different builds and thus characteristics, we need to ensure that we are comparing apples with apples before we hit the 'panic' button.

As mentioned, genuine question as I have seen nothing of the tests.
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Were they all front end loses though J4 or is there a level of assumption (genuine question by the way as I have seen no reports)?

If they were all front end loses what were the track conditions (temps etc) and time of day of the accidents?

Asking as whilst no doubt the different manufacturers will have different builds and thus characteristics, we need to ensure that we are comparing apples with apples before we hit the 'panic' button.

As mentioned, genuine question as I have seen nothing of the tests.
Manufacturers and riders by contract cannot comment the tests.
That the problem is the front (compared to the very excellent Bridgestone) is what transpires, that has been picked up by GPOne here (don't know what will come out of it through Google translator but you can try):
MotoGP, Michelin, la MotoGP in preallarme.
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J4s, I wouldn't worry too much about it, Michelin will figure out whats best for Rossi before 2016. "I am calm".
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Calling Lorenzo's refusal to test, "wise" might not be true if it turns out Michelin is exploring Rossi's data as well as talking with him about what would work with compound design.
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The Michelin front is no match for the Bridgestone. All MotoGP riders will have to change their habits, and that's not easy -- as the crashes show. In particular, riders who are using the front heavily could be obliged to ease it and change their style.
Over the last 10 years I've only seen 2 riders change their riding style, Stoner was one the other was Rossi, if you look how Stoner rode in 2006 and then again in 2011, its quite a bit different. Rossi has changed 3 times that I'm aware of, but the difference between his last win in the championship and this year is a lot different.

Maybe it will suit Rossi more next year!
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Calling Lorenzo's refusal to test, "wise" might not be true if it turns out Michelin is exploring Rossi's data as well as talking with him about what would work with compound design.
Maybe if Lorenzo tell them what he likes, then they will design the exact opposite of that
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Riders will have to change and adapt, yes. However, the bikes will go through changes as well ;most likely to the tune of suspension geometry and weight bias. With the the arrival of Bridgestones tires in 2008 Yamaha adapted by moving their engine back in the fram and got more room for the radiator and the ducts that shoveled its hot air away.

I assume bikes will return to a more forward engine bias with the Michelins.
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J4s, I wouldn't worry too much about it, Michelin will figure out whats best for Rossi before 2016. "I am calm".
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Calling Lorenzo's refusal to test, "wise" might not be true if it turns out Michelin is exploring Rossi's data as well as talking with him about what would work with compound design.
As I think was implied by whoever originally posted about Jorge's "wisdom", he wants to win this championship, and not get injured testing whilst attempting to do so.

When Rossi leads Yamaha development it seems to result in bikes which suit Jorge as well. He did crash a lot on michelins in 2008, but he was a rookie then and the other and then dominant half of the team on the other side of the wall being on different tyres probably didn't help either.

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