Hayden to WSBK (Again)? - Page 7

Willski · July 26th, 2015, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Arrabbiata1

The Ten Kate Hondas were rocket ships in a straight line particularly in supersport (remember Foret's '02 title?). So much so they were initially rumoured to have been awarded the contract to tune and maintain the CBR600 plants for Moto2. Geritt and Ronald ran a tight ship and had a reputation of founding the best tuning shop in the Netherlands. I don't follow WSBk closely enough to speculate why their machinery is currently so dog slow.

To me Toseland's tenacity was demonstrated on the Ducati because that team under Tardozzi was so blatantly biased towards Laconi. I did respect him immensely after that huge crash in the opener at Qatar that almost broke his back failed to break his spirit.

You wouldn't be so fond of Toseland if you had seen 'Crash' (as opposed to simply seeing him crash), and his new band are an abortion. Judging by his recent appearances as part of the BT Sport team, the guy has become a complete narcissist post retirement.

in an attempt to find a source of a refreshing alcoholic beverage, I found myself in the exhibition centre at one of the GP's
Having got to the bar, I turned to face the stage eagerly awaiting the arrival of the unknown band...my happy mood swung rapidly to abject horror as Toseland and his 'band' walked on stage.
It was so fucking awful that I threw myself out of the place

#22 · July 27th, 2015, 05:36 AM

Well the chances of him getting a works Ducati look to be all but gone, GPone is reporting that Gugliano and Davies have been offered renewals for 2016:

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Ducati has repeatedly expressed its' intention to confirm the pair of riders currently involved in SBK - Chaz Davies and Davide Giugliano - even in 2016, and on the eve of the tenth round of the season, scheduled at Sepang weekend of August 2, the time seems ripe to put signatures on contracts.

"We have submitted a proposal to both drivers of renewal, and I do not think there will be problems in reaching agreement, perhaps already in the course of this week" , said Sports Director Paolo Ciabatti .

While Davies has earned the full confidence of Ducati to the sound of results - first win of the Panigale at Aragon, and first one-two since 2012 Ducati at Laguna Seca - Davide Giugliano has paid a very high price that will cost two falls, adding recovery time, about six months away from the track in what was supposed to be the final year of his consecration. The Roman, who still led the Panigale number 34 in the spotlight with two poles and three podiums in the 10 heats, will almost certainly another - and very important, in (almost) 26 years - opportunity. Meanwhile, Michele Pirro will in all likelihood his place until the end of the season (excluding Sepang, where the Welshman will race only).

"The priority for David is the first to treat themselves with the utmost care after the bad injury, and should soon get a bust that will immobilize the neck and back - added Ciabatti - Since it will for three months, the most logical solution is to Pirro to run in his place until the end of the season. It remains to evaluate some of its commitments as a test MotoGP close to the dates of France and Qatar, in particular for a test with Michelin , but there should be no problems. "

Increasingly difficult, at this point, the landing place of Alex Lowes (terminating Crescent) in Borgo Panigale. Ducati stated that it did not intend to field three riders with official support, and the UK remains the option Althea - who reiterated informally an interest in him - very experienced team with bi-cylindrical, where you would find the same package available to the officers but could gain support particularly "timely" by the results.

Read more: SBK, Ducati rinnova la fiducia a Giugliano SBK, Ducati rinnova la fiducia a Giugliano
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#22 · July 27th, 2015, 05:39 AM

Interestingly the above report mentions Lowes might end up at Althea Ducati, but another report has mentioned that Melandri might be testing with them too! Though given his history with Ducati and his supposed advanced negotiations with Yamaha that seems unlikely.

Interestingly, GPone are reporting that Yamaha are closing in of a deal to run with Crescent racing (currently using Suzuki's) and to have Melandri and Guintoli as riders. Is Denning still pissed off with Guinters though?

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The first rumors about the names of the riders - Marco Melandri and Sylvain Guintoli - have surfaced in recent weeks , it is now known is shedding light also on the team. For the return to Superbike, Yamaha is in advanced talks to rely on Crescent Racing , the team run by Paul Denning and currently linked to Suzuki, with the support of Pata as sponsors.

Yamaha mouths are sewn (because Crescent is not the only team with which contact was made, but the most eligible), waiting to finalize the 2016 budget in the next two weeks . Hence the move by Melandri's manager, Alberto Vergani (meanwhile also become manager Danilo Petrucci) to knock on the door Ducati for a test, if only to keep open more doors and strengthen its position in contract negotiations.

As for the House of Iwata, he jumps so the deal with Milwaukee team, engaged in BSB, in favor of a team with your feet firmly planted in the world of production-based series. The agreement also would sanction the end of an era. The British manager is indeed related to Suzuki by far in 2005, first in MotoGP and SBK, where, however, the GSX-R paid the fee of the old and, in the light of the problems electronics after switching from Motec Magneti Marelli and future regulatory changes that will ban the use of the distribution ride-by-wire on the mountain bike that is not standard, not likely to stop a decline in competitive, even with a direct line between Crescent and engineering Yoshimura. Moreover, the resources of the House of Hamamatsu are entirely concentrated on the MotoGP, and a commercial connection standing with Crescent Suzuki dealer (as well as Honda, KTM and the same Yamah) in the United Kingdom would not be a decisive factor stop a deal that has already reached an advanced stage.

Read more: SBK, Paul Denning chiama Yamaha per il 2016 SBK, Paul Denning chiama Yamaha per il 2016
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(Yes yes that's WSBK, but if I posted a new thread in WSBK no-one would read it)

MigsAngel · July 27th, 2015, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Keshav

This is not a rebuttal per se. Just opinion... but it's clear he doesn't need the money. In a sense - like Jum said it's a job, and if you look at statistics - you will find that retiring very frequently leads to depression and a general loss of meaning in life. There are even studies that point solidly to earlier onset of Alzhiemers in people who retire early. So there's that.

The other thing is, racing is all Nicky's ever known. He's not married and still relatively healthy and still lives and breathes the racing life. People in general have great difficulty with big changes in lifestyle. I've said this before... it's not going to be easy for him to walk away from the glamor and all his friends in the paddock after so many years - to go live in Tenn. or California or wherever. He probably has more friends that he sees on a daily basis in the paddock - then he knows in his whole hometown.

And it almost goes without saying, that even being "a backmarker" (riding bikes at over 200 MPH at the best tracks in the world) has to be more stimulating than sitting around on a ranch scratching yer bloodhound's head and staring out into the sunset.

I was only a mid-pack club racer at best and never gained heights of glory - but it was incredibly addictive and I never got bored. I raced against guys who were much younger, who had serious sponsorship (or rich parents) and knew I would never be a champion, but it didn't matter; I loved the sport. When I quit racing at age 36 - I went through real withdrawal and missed it so bad I couldn't watch a race for about five years. So I can totally relate that Nicky isn't ready to walk away from something he loves that much. Racing is who he is.

I think you are right....it is about the passion for racing and friends....Capirossi for instance had the same issue when he ended his career, but he is still in GPs......that might be the solution for Nicky if he can't get a full time ride in GPs....maybe he should consider being a team manager or owner (a couple of slots may be available).....and bring up some young american's....

Jumkie · July 27th, 2015, 09:15 AM

I don't think Nicky is on Ducatis radar, that ship has sailed.

HEISMAN · July 27th, 2015, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jumkie

I don't think Nicky is on Ducatis radar, that ship has sailed.

I wouldn't be so sure. I doubt they're on bad terms and just from a marketing perspective it will be a lucrative deal which benefits both parties.

I'm loving the permutations of different scenarios though, and definitely interested in how things will shake out.

#22 · July 29th, 2015, 07:11 AM

More developments possibly. I;ve read on speedweek some (badly translated) reports that LCR are so short of money they want to go back to a single bike team in 2016 so rumours are Miller is off to Aspar, presumably in place of Nicky? Interestingly, the money shortfall is from the sponsors of Crutchlows bike, CWM..so who knows what'll happen?

Isn't Miller supposed to get a factory bike in year 2? I can't see them running the RCV1000RR for yet another year. With the 2 leased factory bikes having issues (Cruthlow sponsors and Marc VDS poor performance), could it be Aspar becomes the Honda Satellite team and gets the two RCV213V's?

Article here:

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Jack Miller: transfers it to the HRC Martinez-team?
From Günther Wiesinger - 27.07.2015-16: 22
MotoGP rookie Jack Miller is in the World Cup Tabellle on place 18. In LCR Honda 2016 may no longer place for him. HRC must find another home for the Australians.

CWM LCR Honda Honda owner Lucio Cecchinello believes that he needs to reduce his 2016 two-rider team in the MotoGP World Championship again by half, because the main sponsor CWM only around 70 percent of the agreed amount (6.5 million euros) had referred.

For this reason, the CWM logos are expected from the bikes, the team uniform and from the boxes, and decoration of the hospitality already at Silverstone GP.
Cecchinello has hinted two weeks ago in SPEEDWEEK.com interview that he wants to continue with Cal Crutchlow.

If the Italians makes a one-driver team, he will dispense with the services of Jack Miller, who was transferred at the request of HRC in 2015 in place of Stefan Bradl in his team.
That is to say: Jack Miller has to look for a new team for next season.

More specifically: The Honda Racing Corporation must take care of it. Because she has come after the 2014 season with a three-year contract for the MotoGP World Championship Miller.

And if I interpret the statements of Miller's personal manager Aki Ajo correct, then this contract is watertight. It contains none of the usual exit clauses or options that usually have to be terminated or redeemed by the end of July.
"We have not negotiated by chance almost seven months with HRC," is the eloquent testimony of Miller's last year's Red Bull KTM team manager Aki Ajo team.

Lucio Cecchinello has no details of the HRC Treaty of Jack Miller. "I have no idea of. This contract has never been in my hands, "assured Cecchinello.

The HRC manager Shuhei Nakamoto and Livio Suppo want Jack Mille now transfer the Power Electronics team of Jorge "Aspar" Martinez and there take over a large part of the costs for him. Whether his LCR crew chief Cristian Gabarrini would go along, is still open. Miller could also work with the New Zealand crew chief Matthew Davies, who was busy in 2014 with Aleix Espargaró at Forward-Yamaha and cared for 2015, the Open-Honda RC213V-RS from Nicky Hayden at Martinez.

But the deal sealed between Miller, HRC and Martinez is not yet. Martinez demanded concessions and better material. He felt 2014 and 2015 left from Honda in the MotoGP class in the lurch.

It may be necessary to dig deeper into their pockets and Millers driving opportunity for LCR finance even stronger than 2015 HRC.

Cecchinello waits for the negotiations between Aspar and HRC. "Normal we must give an answer HRC at Brno GP, if we have a need for material for two or for a driver for next season," Cecchinello explained in an interview with SPEEDWEEK.com. "The last order date is mid-September at Misano GP. These are the two dates on which Honda wants to have clarity about our future plans. "

#22 · August 7th, 2015, 02:23 AM

Latest on this from Crash.net

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Hayden: I certainly want to continue

Uncertainty currently surrounds the MotoGP future of both the Indianapolis event and America's only rider Nicky Hayden.

While the Circuit of the Americas has a long-term contract, Indianapolis has gone season-by-season and is facing pressure from new events.

Meanwhile Hayden has scored points just twice this year on Aspar's Open class Honda, with a recent appearance at the Laguna Seca WSBK round fuelling rumours he may consider switching championships.

“Well, of course I have a few thoughts. I think we all do. But I'm not really sure yet,” he said of his 2016 plans at Indianapolis on Thursday. “We'll see what comes up, what's available. I still enjoy riding these motorcycles. So if the right opportunity comes up that sounds like fun, then I certainly want to continue.”

Hayden has been a MotoGP rider since 2003, winning the title in 2006, but there are currently no obvious American candidates to follow in his footsteps.

“There's definitely a little delay but I think to think there can never be more Americans in the future is ridiculous,” he said. “Hopefully MotoAmerica can get going strong and get a lot more competition there, pushing each other, pushing everybody's talent to a higher level, then, yeah, [Americans] should come back.”

Hayden finished on the podium during the first two Indianapolis MotoGPs, in 2008 (Honda) and 2009 (Ducati). This weekend will be his first on the revised layout and new track surface, having missed last year's event due to wrist surgery.

“The track, they made changes. I didn't get to try them, but it seems the riders like them a lot better for motorcycles with more consistency in the surface. So I look forward to trying it tomorrow.”

WTF is up with this hair do?!

AntG · August 7th, 2015, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Willski

in an attempt to find a source of a refreshing alcoholic beverage, I found myself in the exhibition centre at one of the GP's
Having got to the bar, I turned to face the stage eagerly awaiting the arrival of the unknown band...my happy mood swung rapidly to abject horror as Toseland and his 'band' walked on stage.
It was so fucking awful that I threw myself out of the place

I saw them at Donington years ago, truly one of the worst gigs I've ever seen. James always looks like he's trying too hard but doesn't quite fit the image, reminds me of a time when I was at a Metallica gig and there was a fella wearing a Bon Jovi t-shirt.

MigsAngel · October 3rd, 2015, 11:08 AM

Soup :: No Decision But Hayden Faces Weekend Deadline :: 10-02-2015

Nicky has to choose semi-competitive on the Aprilia or the Honda money....

Which will he choose?

I think he'll go for the money ...

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