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July 20th, 2015, 12:24 PM   #11
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Hayden on a Yamaha would be strange knowing is love for American Honda. One thing no one's talked about, perhaps I missed it, but has Honda mentioned their intentions to race the Honda RC213V-S or will the stick with the CBR?

IMO, I only see Hayden racing WSBK or even MotoAmerica on a Ducati or a 'competitive' Honda.
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Hayden on a Yamaha would be strange knowing is love for American Honda. One thing no one's talked about, perhaps I missed it, but has Honda mentioned their intentions to race the Honda RC213V-S or will the stick with the CBR?

IMO, I only see Hayden racing WSBK or even MotoAmerica on a Ducati or a 'competitive' Honda.
Do you remember the FP1? Patronas had to make a hundred or so "road" versions to qualify for FIM standards to run in WSBK. I highly doubt Honda would consider running their RCV-RS, though les I forget, some might argue Honda did something similar with the RC51/VTR1K entry.

I've heard rumors that Honda intend to rejoin the AMA, now under MotoAmerica given the exit of DMG, which if you recall was the very reason Honda America left the series. But frankly I don't think Honda is at all interested in WSBK. Can they field a competitive entry specifically designed for WSBK? Yes. (Again, some might argue they have in the past). Does it really look like they give two shits about the "junior" series? No. Why? Because they are getting their money's worth in marketing and development in GP. Its a marketing wet dream: Honda, Marquez, and Dorna in the pocket to boot. The AMA is another animal, unlike WSBK, it offers I think, at least in the marketing minds, more cents for the ever important American market.
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I don't follow WSBk closely enough to speculate why their machinery is currently so dog slow.

To me Toseland's tenacity was demonstrated on the Ducati because that team under Tardozzi was so blatantly biased towards Laconi. I did respect him immensely after that huge crash in the opener at Qatar that almost broke his back failed to break his spirit.

You wouldn't be so fond of Toseland if you had seen 'Crash' (as opposed to simply seeing him crash), and his new band are an abortion. Judging by his recent appearances as part of the BT Sport team, the guy has become a complete narcissist post retirement.


But, Shame on you Arrab for not following WSBK! Basically the Fireblade hasn't had any decent development since the late nougties by my understanding and is essentially almost a 10 year old bike. Lord knows why it's doing so well on the roads still though.

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Hayden on a Yamaha would be strange knowing is love for American Honda. One thing no one's talked about, perhaps I missed it, but has Honda mentioned their intentions to race the Honda RC213V-S or will the stick with the CBR?

IMO, I only see Hayden racing WSBK or even MotoAmerica on a Ducati or a 'competitive' Honda.
It's been mentioned, but as Jumkie says Honda don't seem interested in developing anything for the superbike. I guess the MotoGP bike branding (I don't say success because it's the worst bike out there this yr and has only won two races ) sells enough road bikes for them so why bother?
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Hayden on a Yamaha would be strange knowing is love for American Honda. One thing no one's talked about, perhaps I missed it, but has Honda mentioned their intentions to race the Honda RC213V-S or will the stick with the CBR?

IMO, I only see Hayden racing WSBK or even MotoAmerica on a Ducati or a 'competitive' Honda.
I don't think think they can run anything other than the CBR1K. The RCV doesn't have the production numbers I suspect. Could be wrong.....anyone?
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I had to paste this comment from the crash.net article as I think it's a great post.

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Deal with work place discrimination, a dead end job and see where it lands you. Especially where making waves gets you put on the s**t list. Noone is breaking the Spanish "mafia's" grip in GPs, Hayden found that out first hand in 2007/2008. Hes better than most in GPs, but you will never know it, because talent is nothing compared to who is sponsoring you, and who the "press" want to win.
I hear he was hanging out in the Ducati garage a lot at Guna, so maybe he's talking about replacing the Gug..

Also just a thought, Nicky's wrist is still a concern from what I hear and although a WSBK is heavier. With less grippy tyres and steel brakes, this would surely be easier for him?

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I had to paste this comment from the crash.net article as I think it's a great post.



I hear he was hanging out in the Ducati garage a lot at Guna, so maybe he's talking about replacing the Gug..

Also just a thought, Nicky's wrist is still a concern from what I hear and although a WSBK is heavier. With less grippy tyres and steel brakes, this would surely be easier for him?
I think it would take something fairly significant for Ducati to fire their Roman peer. I'm not saying it won't happen but to fire an Italian rider for a washed up, broken down American back marker? That would certainly make for an interesting story. I imagine the Italian moto press would erupt.
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Possibly, but if Ducati are 'persuaded' by Dorna with a big financial incentive (Based on the extra marketing Hayden would probably bring to WSBK) I'm sure something can be arranged. A 3rd bike maybe? Or run Gug as a works rider in the Althea team like Ducati did with Iannone last year. The joys of the silly season!
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But, Shame on you Arrab for not following WSBK! Basically the Fireblade hasn't had any decent development since the late nougties by my understanding and is essentially almost a 10 year old bike. Lord knows why it's doing so well on the roads still though.



It's been mentioned, but as Jumkie says Honda don't seem interested in developing anything for the superbike. I guess the MotoGP bike branding (I don't say success because it's the worst bike out there this yr and has only won two races ) sells enough road bikes for them so why bother?
They develop the road racing version, even though John McGuinness' Fireblade is based on a 2009 model it's stripped and rebuilt with new updated components and software each year. Plus I think the road version is an official "factory" bike whereas the WSBK version is factory supported.
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Well jesus christ, looking at the article below, they say he spent a lot of time in the Aprilia garage!

Hayden Once More Rumored to Go to World Superbike - autoevolution

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Nicky Hayden's MotoGP future is once more in question as his contract with Aspar ends this year. It's not the first time when the Kentucky Kid is rumored to switch back to the World Superbike series, so we're taking the rumors with a (big) grain of salt.

For some reason, Nicky Hayden, who is a former MotoGP champion in 2006, failed to deliver the same class-leading performance after his success. A Honda in the premier class rider between 2003 and 2008, Hayden jumped ship and became a Ducati rider from 2009 to 2013, with the last three seasons wearing a Ducati Corse livery.

Still, his performance was never near his 2005-2006 era, when he was third and first in MotoGP, respectively. His best position with Ducati, at the end of a season was the 7th position, then he slowly drifted to being 9th. As Ducati no longer wanted to continue the relationship, Hayden spent the last two seasons in Jorge Martinez' Aspar team, but his results were even poorer.

After finishing the 2014 season in the 16th position, Hayden is now the 21st rider in the MotoGP world standing. With only 8 points in 9 races, Hayden is only one point ahead of his teammate Eugene Laverty, who is a MotoGP rookie.

A career in World Superbike was mentioned every now and then in the past years

Now, having Hayden in WSBK is a subject that seems to come to focus almost with regularity. It's been more than once when the rumor mill almost had him signed with a Superbike team, but nothing happened.

Even though some believe that the WSBK series is a step down from prototype racing, the production-derived series sometimes has more to offer in term of entertainment. Of course, the money a WSBK rider makes is significantly less than what racing in the premier class brings, but the series has welcomed ex-MotoGP riders who fared quite well.

Gp-inside says that Hayden attended the past weekend's WSBK round at Laguna Seca and was seen in Aprilia's box. Aspar has used Aprilia bikes in MotoGP until switching over to Honda in 2014, so things seem to add up.

Stay tuned for more on this subject, as more info is most likely to surface around the MotoGP summer break, and signing new deals and contracts is yet to come.
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Do you remember the FP1? Patronas had to make a hundred or so "road" versions to qualify for FIM standards to run in WSBK. I highly doubt Honda would consider running their RCV-RS, though les I forget, some might argue Honda did something similar with the RC51/VTR1K entry.

I've heard rumors that Honda intend to rejoin the AMA, now under MotoAmerica given the exit of DMG, which if you recall was the very reason Honda America left the series. But frankly I don't think Honda is at all interested in WSBK. Can they field a competitive entry specifically designed for WSBK? Yes. (Again, some might argue they have in the past). Does it really look like they give two shits about the "junior" series? No. Why? Because they are getting their money's worth in marketing and development in GP. Its a marketing wet dream: Honda, Marquez, and Dorna in the pocket to boot. The AMA is another animal, unlike WSBK, it offers I think, at least in the marketing minds, more cents for the ever important American market.
According to a member of Hondas BSB team I spoke to at Oulton Park a couple of years ago HRC's top brass want to win Suzuka, Senior TT and MotoGP in that order, they don't really care for WSBK or any of the national series, they're happy if they win them but if they don't it's not a disaster.
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