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June 14th, 2015, 03:48 PM   #41
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Casey's lap was a slow demo where he waved to fans the whole time. I have video that I can upload later.
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June 14th, 2015, 05:27 PM   #42
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Casey's lap was a slow demo where he waved to fans the whole time. I have video that I can upload later.
Well that sucks. King Kenny rode his 1980 YZR500 on a "demo" ride at Laguna. My ears are still ringing.

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There was no reason to expect a superior stat sheet. Naturally-aspirated engines have their limitations. The benefits of the RC won't be seen on paper, unless you're looking at lap times.
That is, quite frankly, the most stupid statement I have ever read in my life. INCREASED COST IS EXPECTED TO BRING SUPERIOR SPECIFICATIONS. And my point is still this:, the bike is about 9 times cheaper (Yamaha R1) puts out more horsepower (I.e. superior stats) than this POS.

By your argument, if Ford brought out a replacement for the Fusion, that was actually worse in specification and performance than the market equivalents,but badged it as a 'NASCAR Replica' limited edition, you'd be perfectly happy to pay nearly 10 times the retail price right? Bollocks.

I understand that the US "Asthmatic Ant" spec is probably due to emissions, but other manifacturers are all getting around that using the very same '1000cc and spring valves' you keep proclaiming are so 'limiting', so how is that? Most superbikes are built for the road, and as such have to be limited by the need to be reliable. This 'Race Replica' is most likely only going to be used occasionally for the mega rich who own it to go on a jaunt or a trackday and I expect use is heavily backed by stringent Honda service periods, so again answer me, how is a 1000cc valve spring engine limited to 101/136bhp when almost every other 1000cc valve spring road bike is putting out another 40% on top with no reliability issues?

Hell, the Desmosedici RR puts out a claimed 197 HP (And I know what you're going to say - 'Oh but that has Desmodromic Valves'. It does, but they have their limitations too, such as they infact are subjected to higher stresses at peak RPM than a spring valve, and the system was only invented to over come the issue of valve float but these days computer modelling is so advanced and accurate that they can understand this issue a lot better, that is, that it is caused by oscillating compression waves caused by resonance in the spring, this was mainly overcome by 1 (or 2) concentric springs mounted within the main valve spring to act as a resonance damper for it. In fact the desmodromic system can still suffer from valve bounce AND causes more frictional losses at higher RPM than a traditional spring valve due to inertial loads. Yes, for racing and power applications Pneumatic valves will be better but my counter to your point is that other 1000cc bikes with spring valves are putting out more power, so why should I or anyone pay nearly ten times as much just for a bike that has the same wheels, frame and engine block as the GP bike? The specification DOES NOT justify the cost. I'd rather buy a Fireblade and deck it out in Repsol colours, hell it'd be faster!

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Well that sucks. King Kenny rode his 1980 YZR500 on a "demo" ride at Laguna. My ears are still ringing.
Would loved to have seen that. I know when I raced superkarts, every year at the British GP they'd have a parade session for all the historic karts (some I'm talking about still had solid rubber tyres and a school seat!), after the first 2 years they put a pace car out to control them as drivers were 'demo-ing', so all they did was slow down for 1/2 a lap then race to catch up the pace car, great to watch!
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Where are the hp figures read from? If its at the back wheel, the full 212hp that comes with the track setup is a fuckin huge figure. The new r1 only puts out about 170hp dependant on the dyno and atmospheric conditions.

Have a price check on the suspension components too. I would have an educated guess and say the front forks alone are worth (cost) $15k plus.

Saying that tho, its still a bit overpriced. The problem being with top end motorcycles is that extra cost doesnt always equate to massive performance differences. A s1000rr is almost a slow motogp bike in the right hands and only differ in price by about $1,000,000....
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They don't say Digger, but the full track setup is an extra option thats probably 20K more. What we are talking about is the stock version that will onl be available with 101bhp in the US and you cannot upgrade it there.

I agree with your last paragraph, however I still believe a 10 times price difference is taking the piss...
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Agreed lol
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Talking of Stoner, is his book worth reading? Not sure I want to pay 15 for it...
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I didnt finish it, but im not much of a fan either.
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I don't know if everyone can see this...but there's Stoner Boner for you guys if you haven't seen it already.
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I don't know if everyone can see this...but there's Stoner Boner for you guys if you haven't seen it already.
Naturally it's all talking with no engine sound.
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