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June 12th, 2015, 10:36 AM   #21
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"Stoner, cuando hizo el test probó la moto, pero está claro que después de un año sin ir en moto, no puede desarrollar nada."

Stoner, when he did the testing, he tested the bike, but it's clear that after a year of not riding, he can't develope anything."

Haha Marquez is now blaming Stoner for not developing the bike to his liking.
Quite possible, but there's more: Honda engineers were very aware of Ducati coming at them with their usual powerful engine and a bike that could actually turn -- plus 12 engines and 22 liters on top of that -- and wanted to make sure that their bike would match Ducati's speed and traction anyway. So they pushed the bhp output as much as possible, using a very light crankshaft and trusting they coud make it rideable through electronics voodoo.

Both Pedrosa and Marquez complained about a very aggressive engine during the winter tests, but HRC engineers preferred listening to their de luxe test rider Casey Stoner (who never complains about an engine being too aggressive).

So there they are: the cure would be using a heavier crankshaft and tune down the ower output a bit, but the engines have been seaed and theres no way too do that -- they have to rely on electronics but time is working agaiinst them because electronics also is going to be frozen soon. We could witness again Honda scrxxed by the very rules they like to enforce.

In all this one can imagine a reason why Stoner was so eager to replace Pedrosa: "I can show you how to ride this unrideable bike!".
One can sense not much love lost between MM and CS, and they never even raced against each other...
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I don't think Honda engineering had 2 thoughts about whatever the hell Ducati were up to, frankly that's funny. So HRC are suddenly concerned with Ducati, while Rossi and Lorenzo are ridding up their asses. Haha

Meeting in Japan:

[Nakamoto takes his seat] "So gentlemen, Rossi threw his crew chief under the bus so you know he's gonna be hungry and Lorenzo is iching to get right, the Yamaha is always our strongest rival and competion. That Yamaha is a sweet machine under the tutelage of this multiple world champs and Legend. Let's get to work boys!"

....so let's get our machine to beat the Ducati!


What universe are u getting your logic from Jrno? Kropo perhaps?
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Quite possible, but there's more: Honda engineers were very aware of Ducati coming at them with their usual powerful engine and a bike that could actually turn -- plus 12 engines and 22 liters on top of that -- and wanted to make sure that their bike would match Ducati's speed and traction anyway. So they pushed the bhp output as much as possible, using a very light crankshaft and trusting they coud make it rideable through electronics voodoo.

Both Pedrosa and Marquez complained about a very aggressive engine during the winter tests, but HRC engineers preferred listening to their de luxe test rider Casey Stoner (who never complains about an engine being too aggressive).


In all this one can imagine a reason why Stoner was so eager to replace Pedrosa: "I can show you how to ride this unrideable bike!".
One can sense not much love lost between MM and CS, and they never even raced against each other...
Gut feeling... the use of the lighter crankshaft is more a result of Honda's insecurity about the Ducati - than it is about Stoner's testing. After all they were building the engine for MM and Dani. MM shouldn't whine. He should have been spending more time at Honda testing the bikes himself. That MM is trying to put the blame on Stoner - can only have Casey laughing up his sleeve right now. Honda is generally pretty arrogant and after a relatively poor showing from Yamaha last year, with no news of any influx of increased R&D $ - they probably weren't thinking that Yamaha would be that big a threat. I wouldn't be surprised if they were fearing a replay of 2007.

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"Stoner, cuando hizo el test probó la moto, pero está claro que después de un año sin ir en moto, no puede desarrollar nada."

Stoner, when he did the testing, he tested the bike, but it's clear that after a year of not riding, he can't develope anything."

Haha Marquez is now blaming Stoner for not developing the bike to his liking.
I wonder if this is why Casey was hanging around Lambo/Ducati land recently.

Between Nakamoto and Marquez mouthing off, maybe Casey is thinking, "If I can get on the Ducati and have zero PR obligations outside of race weekend press conferences, I can kill two for the price of one."

Christ, I'm getting hard at the thought of Casey getting back on the Desmosedici, and causing Nakamoto to commit seppuku. Sure it's not at all likely, but it's my fucking fantasy.
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I wonder if this is why Casey was hanging around Lambo/Ducati land recently.

Between Nakamoto and Marquez mouthing off, maybe Casey is thinking, "If I can get on the Ducati and have zero PR obligations outside of race weekend press conferences, I can kill two for the price of one."

Christ, I'm getting hard at the thought of Casey getting back on the Desmosedici, and causing Nakamoto to commit seppuku. Sure it's not at all likely, but it's my fucking fantasy.
I think Ducati would be forced to field anther bike though. Dovi and Iannone aren't going anywhere. Factory spec Premac they could do without missing a beat but all this is really unlikely. If Casey ever rides in GP again, it'll be onboard a Honda.
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This is also what Honda does best; blissful ignorance that anyone can possibly ever match their superior engineering prowess.

They're just the sort of group where even if they are losing on track, they'll turn around internally and say, "Aha, this doesn't matter. With our superior knowledge and decades of racing experience, we can put pencil to paper and design a superior vehicle that will put everyone to shame. We must first hold meetings to determine in what way we must meet this new challenge effectively. But before that, we must host meetings to determine who shall attend those meetings. Once we do that, we will have another meeting to determine the procedural aspects of the meeting such as what types of tables, chairs, pens, paper, and recording instruments we shall use. The great thing about Honda is that when we move forward, we make sure everyone and everything is pointing in the same direction."

Which is why years go by before they effectively address some things.
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I think Ducati would be forced to field anther bike though. Dovi and Iannone aren't going anywhere. Factory spec Premac they could do without missing a beat but all this is really unlikely. If Casey ever rides in GP again, it'll be onboard a Honda.
I'd be happy just to see him on something because I'm pretty sure he would hand MurderMac his ass over the course of an entire season.
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For those who were lusting after a Desmo RR, there is one on ebay right now for $35k. Item number 111690324507. I know if i had the money for the honda, i would buy the desmo and have enough to buy a house...
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For those who were lusting after a Desmo RR, there is one on ebay right now for $35k. Item number 111690324507. I know if i had the money for the honda, i would buy the desmo and have enough to buy a house...
I was watching some YouTube videos of the Desmosedici RR last week. That thing sounds like an absolute beast.

But don't you have to take the bike for service at a Ducati dealer that actually has someone trained to work on the RR? I thought I read that not every Duc dealer can work on those things.
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I honestly dont know. I would imagine most dealers at least in larger Cities would have someone to work on them. They do sound absolutely insane, especially with the race exhaust that come with them.
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