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JohnnyKnockdown April 30th, 2014 04:43 AM

No Vaseline for Hayden and Redding
 
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn/sp...-honda-update/




When we first saw the Proddy lap times it was speculated by many, that Honda would be compelled to update the billke out of sheer embarassment.

We were forgetting that Honda has no shame and will do whatever they please.

Their excuse is that they are still analyzing the data. Apparently there is a rocketship hidden in there somewhere that Hayden and Redding have failed to discover.

Maybe it's taking them so long because they have the insider analyzing the data and he is backed up analyzing all that data for Kawasaki lawnmowers

rezonator636 April 30th, 2014 07:31 AM



It sounds like they have one intern figuring out how to wrangle an extra half-horsepower from the RCV. Although I may be over-estimating their commitment to the project.

Jumkie April 30th, 2014 09:51 AM



Popular topic alert.


The RCV-Rs were placed on the grid as filler for Dorna. What HRC got in return is anybody's guess. When the grid goes full Dorna ECU then HRC will install the unit on their Repsol machines. The RCV-Rs will be obsolete (though in terms of performance they are obsolete now). Grid filler, thats the only purpose they provide.


Krop has tried to portray the open class as Dorna's "vision for the future" as part of the favorable propaganda campaign for the League. But the open class is an evolution of the CRT which was introduced as a stop gap from a depleted field in an emergency crisis because the FIM couldn't sanction the series if the grid dipped under 17! A depleted field as a result of skyrocket cost from rulebook changes that were justified as cost cutting. Reminds me of another "vision for the future" we've read about, that of expanding TV audience. Except the last TV deals have significantly reduced audience. And how about those formula changes to "increase safety", a vision since its implementation has seen GP suffer 2 deaths. A "vision for the future" that has the opposite effect of the official stated purpose is a recurring pattern, but that won't stop many from believing the not so sophisticated messaging by our trusted journalists.


"We are still evaluating the data." I'd say thats hilarious but its simply a blatantly disingenuous statement. I remember at one test (reported on MCN), HRC brought 30 chassis for Pedrosa to test. But we are supposed to believe they are stumped by the data that clearly shows the RCV-R is woefully slow? Forget the Insider, they need to hire Prof Dr. Povol to analyze the speed trap speeds charts.


CRT=Open=Grid Filler=FIM sanction=Appearance of authentic championship

rezonator636 April 30th, 2014 10:37 AM



I don't think anyone (except the "insider", maybe) ever saw these machines asanything more than grid filler. They are, as you pointed out, an evolution of the CRTs, and one step below the satellite bikes.Given that this is supposed to be a single-class championship, a bike that has no hope for a podium only serves two purposes: 1) fill up the grid by giving less affluent teams a means of entry, and 2) give lower-tier riders a chance to demonstrate their abilities. And before anyone asks how riding a dog-slow customer bike can help anyone prove anything, let's remember that Aleix earned a competitive ride on the strength of his imaginary CRT world titles.

hawkdriver April 30th, 2014 06:32 PM



Imagine how much slower it would be on regular tires. AE is putting up good lap times while also being under powered compared to the factory bikes. That means he's riding the shit out of that old M1. The Honda may actually be a little better than what it's showing with Hayden being a complete disappointment so far, and Redding still being a rookie it's hard to say, so even if it was a decent bike it's hard to say how bad it is with three mediocre riders and a rookie aboard.

JohnnyKnockdown May 1st, 2014 02:33 PM

As we are learning now the production bike is just a glorified CRT. Right now it sits on top of the CRT phantom championship. I'm not sure how you can equate what they're doing on that bike as underachieving or not getting all they can from it. The bike was not built to beat factory or satellite bikes. It's finishing right where it's supposed to finish every week.
Nicky has run neck and neck with every teammate he's had over the past years except Stoner. I wouldn't consider Rossi or Dovi, mediocre riders. Not the best but certainly second-tier.
As far as Redding being just as fast as him it seems that nowadays with all the electronics rookies don't have as much of a learning curve and are fast right away.

levigarrett May 1st, 2014 10:11 PM

The bike is a piece of shit. That's clear but really, who cares? The bike was developed to fill grid spots. It was never intended to compete. It's being ridden by 4 guys who would never win a race on any bike. So you have 4 guys who can't win riding a bike that can't win. It all amounts to nothing. Honda knows this. They're under no pressure to throw money and effort at 3 has been's and a crash prone guy who's only resume line says "Moto2 Runner up."

I know it's a shitty deal but these 4 guys are only in the series because;

1. Nicky - sells/and he's the last Yank for a long time
2. Hiro - Japanese token rider
3. Karel - Dad's money
4. Scott - The English apparently need another mediocre talent they'll elect King.......Oh, and the fact that the UK tele deal is so lucrative and necessary.

So, Honda loses nothing. They've got the two best bikes and they look poised to win many more titles. I think Honda will scuttle this program quietly at the end of the season and move on to another scheme.

akeizm May 2nd, 2014 01:26 AM

If I was rich I'd still get one for a collection.

JohnnyKnockdown May 2nd, 2014 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by levigarrett (Post 370939)
The bike is a piece of shit. That's clear but really, who cares? The bike was developed to fill grid spots. It was never intended to compete. It's being ridden by 4 guys who would never win a race on any bike. So you have 4 guys who can't win riding a bike that can't win. It all amounts to nothing. Honda knows this. They're under no pressure to throw money and effort at 3 has been's and a crash prone guy who's only resume line says "Moto2 Runner up."

I know it's a shitty deal but these 4 guys are only in the series because;

1. Nicky - sells/and he's the last Yank for a long time
2. Hiro - Japanese token rider
3. Karel - Dad's money
4. Scott - The English apparently need another mediocre talent they'll elect King.......Oh, and the fact that the UK tele deal is so lucrative and necessary.

So, Honda loses nothing. They've got the two best bikes and they look poised to win many more titles. I think Honda will scuttle this program quietly at the end of the season and move on to another scheme.

I dont understand the thanks button. What are you thanking for? Is it a replacement for like?

Realistically Levi, most of the grid is just grid filler. You can run down the list of most of the riders and argue that they could never win a race, even on a factory honda

levigarrett May 2nd, 2014 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyKnockdown (Post 371036)
I dont understand the thanks button. What are you thanking for? Is it a replacement for like?

Realistically Levi, most of the grid is just grid filler. You can run down the list of most of the riders and argue that they could never win a race, even on a factory honda

I don't know what that thanks thing is either. I saw it on your post earlier and tried to see what it does? IDK?

True, but I still don't think Honda is under any real pressure to improve the bike.


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