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May 2nd, 2014, 02:10 PM   #11
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The bike is a piece of shit. That's clear but really, who cares? The bike was developed to fill grid spots. It was never intended to compete. It's being ridden by 4 guys who would never win a race on any bike.
What up bro. Ok, All 4 of those guys you mention won races when they were on bikes with fairy equal parity to their rivals at the time, fact. In your mind's eye, exchange the riders with the factory bikes (works M1/RCV) with the riders on the proddies, please tell me which do you think would end up winning a race? Marc, Pedro, Lorenzo, Rossi? You can put Marc (the current standard I suppose) on any of the proddies, the best he gets would be mid pack. After a few races of that most people would be saying, jeez that kid sucks. Now put Redding on the Repsol bike and he would be top 5, if not on the podium about every race (under the current parity of the grid). Then most of us would be saying, jeez that kid is good. Same goes for Nicky who would at least be matching VR (top 4). Here is the reality of the "championship" There are 4 bikes, and 2 now need to be ridden at high risk (Yamahas) to keep up with the Hondas. We have a 4 (2) bike championship. Why on earth do we assign so much accolade to a guy who is beating the other 3 on the better bike? For god sakes, even VR won a race and several podiums the minute he was gifted a 1/4 chance of doing so (return to M1). Those are awesome odds to succeed, 1/4. Even better if its 1/2 as it is for the Repsol bikes. I know Marc is a special talent, but when his rivals had similar machines, on any given races he was pushed around by Pol Esp and Iannone, now they can't come within the same area code. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Smith never won a solitary Moto2 race, now look at him, up there being relevant. Why? My answer, the parity of the machines is much more to do with the finishing order than we accept.

Often the case has been made, well, if you put them ALL on Repsol Hondas the finishing order would be the same as it is now. To which I say bullshit. Perhaps we haven't been paying attention to Moto2 enough, but on any race you'd be hard pressed to predict the winner. Why? Because the bikes are fairly equal. Yes there is still a parity gap in terms of teams and technical set up, and talent etc.; but as you can see, the parity also allows for riders to compete with eachother--no such reality exist in MotoGP. So sorry buddy, but saying these four riders on proddies "couldn't win on any bike" (I'm assuming you are including the Repsol RCV in this scenario) is a bit devoid of what happened when these riders competed with others on equal footing.

All you need to know about the parity of the championship is too look at A.Espargaro's lap times. A beefed up prototype M1 with Q ties competing with CRTesk bikes. That won't stop spectators and journalists from singing the praises of his lap times. So why make the same illogical conclusion with the proddy riders?
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So Jumkie, should we just rename the series MotoRepsolHonda?
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Ha! Well it would be more honest and descriptive a name. I prefer MotoWWF personally. I dont know man, I guess for the most part we all get it here because we follow the sport more than most. So generally we are all well informed. I think time and time again we get examples of how parity effects outcomes, but it seems every chance we get (usually every race) we simply throw the lessons out the window. Most recently for example, VR was for years the gold standard, as is Marc today. Yet for 2 years on a full factory works bike (Ducati) he was lucky to finish midpack, thus the guy who wasnt just an "alien" he was considered 'thee alien'. When he returned to the only 4 win worthy bikes, he was 4th (and remains there now). 4th is good right? But not if u entered a race of 4 bikes, then 4th is last. Consider that when one of those 4 bikes DNFs then your practically guaranteed a podium. This is why the prediction threads are absurd. As absurd as a prediction thread for the next WWE match.
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Well, every race weekend I think oh look, this guys doing really well in the practice sessions, maybe he can win/podium. Then race day they just crash or go backwards... Like Aleix Espargaro all season....
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As we are learning now the production bike is just a glorified CRT. Right now it sits on top of the CRT phantom championship. I'm not sure how you can equate what they're doing on that bike as underachieving or not getting all they can from it. The bike was not built to beat factory or satellite bikes. It's finishing right where it's supposed to finish every week.
Nicky has run neck and neck with every teammate he's had over the past years except Stoner. I wouldn't consider Rossi or Dovi, mediocre riders. Not the best but certainly second-tier.
As far as Redding being just as fast as him it seems that nowadays with all the electronics rookies don't have as much of a learning curve and are fast right away.
Nicky is a former GP champion and factory level rider that has years and years of experience on these tracks and tires, he should be schooling the fuck out of the other 3.
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Nicky is a former GP champion and factory level rider that has years and years of experience on these tracks and tires, he should be schooling the fuck out of the other 3.
He should but he isn't......I am not surprised.....
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He should but he isn't......I am not surprised.....
So, if you and I were handed the exact same bicycle to race around a parking lot and after 10 laps or so you beat me by 8 seconds would it be agreeable to say that you didn't "school the fuck" out of me?

I suspect that Scott doesn't feel the same about the ass kicking he was handed today.
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He should but he isn't......I am not surprised.....
Coming from you this is no surprise......
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If I was Nicky, I would announce retirement at the Indy Press Conference. Citing no interest in being a grid filler. That should have Carmelo & Company finding a competent package real fast.
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I believe Nicky was .3 off the pace of the satellite Ducati's and Yamaha's in order to get into QP2. Proddy not so bad?
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