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Kropotkin February 13th, 2013 04:55 AM



I'm sure you'll all love this piece by Mat Oxley.





http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/ra...e-perspective/

#22 February 13th, 2013 05:05 AM



Interesting!


So given the proposed price of the production RCV Krop, do you think many, if any CRT teams will run it? Maybe Gresini's CRT entry would use it?

L8Braker February 13th, 2013 05:18 AM



For1 million you'll get to ride your RCV mid-pack, versus half a million for the CRT..hmmdecisions decision.

Kropotkin February 13th, 2013 05:18 AM



I expect there to be 5 proddie RCVs, and 4 Hondas, and 3 CRT bikes. And I think the CRT bikes will be a lot closer to the proddie RCVs than Honda will be comfortable with.

povol February 13th, 2013 07:14 AM



Just curious, the number being floated around that CRT cost around 400k, does that include the 12 engines and the cost of technical support and maintenance.

Kropotkin February 13th, 2013 07:16 AM

povol
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Just curious, the number being floated around that CRT cost around 400k, does that include the 12 engines and the cost of technical support and maintenance.




Yes. Not 12 engines, 3 engines, rotated for maintenance. Aprilia's ART is a good deal more expensive, however, nearer 1 million euros. But the FTR Honda from last year cost 300K, including engines.

BJ.C February 13th, 2013 07:28 AM

Kropotkin
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I'm sure you'll all love this piece by Mat Oxley.





http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/ra...e-perspective/




Thanks Mat, for bringing some sense to the senseless banging on about CRTs. I have been for them right from the start and still am - the mindless announcing the end of the world ignore the facts, as usual.



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<span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;In other words, there’s not a huge difference between the best protos and the best CRTs – let’s say about 1.7 per cent. That’s not a lot when a full-factory RCV costs – at a wild guess – five times more than an ART powered by a streetbike engine.

mylexicon February 13th, 2013 11:16 AM



I think everyone knows I am a supporter of CRT, but, with respect to Oxley, the point of CRT is not to make minor improvements to the failures of the past.





The MSMA were writing rules for a field of factory prototypes that didn't exist, and the arrangement was so bad that the factories themselves became jaded. CRT was created to remedy the problem with the motorcycle suppliers, and to hedge against the possibility of complete factory withdrawal during the global credit crisis. In that regard, CRTs are still very much in their infancy.





Some recent CRT developments have been positive, like the elimination of the claiming rules that give CRTs their name. Some recent CRT developments have been negative, like Dorna leaning on HRC to create CRT machines, though this renders the hedging strategy impotent, and it leaves MotoGP exposed.

stiefel February 13th, 2013 12:04 PM



Why are people, including Oxley, obsessed about how close the CRT's are to the prototypes? Different rules, therefore de facto a different series.

birdman February 13th, 2013 02:19 PM



Terrific now all we need do is kick out the prototypes and manufacturers and no one will know the difference.








Except thata SBK on Pirelli would qualify better than a CRT. End of. A superstock would be close by these comparison standards.








24L, 12 engines, spec ecu, prototype frame, engine tires.Same rules for all.How difficult is it? Apparently very difficult when your name is Caramelo.


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