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February 14th, 2013, 02:08 AM   #21
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I took a pile of photos at the Island Classic. I'll post them when I work out how...

Pretty sure Tainton is involved. Got to check.But the cool shit was everywhere. Little Bultacos, TZ750s, Laverda SFCs, stonkin' 1000+s, Manxes, a Paton....some Ago guy.

Great event. Anyone can just wander into garages...

Even the weather was good.
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So we should accept that there have always been a spread of quality when it comes to bikes in GP? How about all those that called the racing boring during the 800 era accept that there has always been a spread of quality when it comes to riders? We would not be where we are today with a second string bullshit class filling the grid if Dorna and the Journalists just accepted that for the entire history of GP bike racing the best riders on the best bikes have ridden off into the distance, rather than constantly talking the sport down. This is how it has always been and if it was allowed to stay a sport then that is the way it will always be.





I vote go all prototypes or go all CRT. Fuck this half and half shit.
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I took a pile of photos at the Island Classic. I'll post them when I work out how...

Pretty sure Tainton is involved. Got to check.But the cool shit was everywhere. Little Bultacos, TZ750s, Laverda SFCs, stonkin' 1000+s, Manxes, a Paton....some Ago guy.

Great event. Anyone can just wander into garages...

Even the weather was good.

Open a (free) photobucket account and paste them direct to any post you put up. It doesn't slow down the Powerslide Server and they will show up on the page in large format and look much better.
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I vote go all prototypes or go all CRT. Fuck this half and half shit.




They don't need to choose one or the other. They just need to unwind all of the dumb changes they've made during the last decade. They only needed to switch GP to four-stroke, and fix the homologation rules for WSBK so the manufacturers didn't have to build 750cc homologation specials. Somehow GP and SBK ended up with identical capacity, engine cycle, and equipment (essentially), and we got a contract that prohibited teams from running production equipment in GP, though production equipment is a subset of competition motorcycles. Production bikes cannot be excluded from GP competition no matter what the Italians say.





SBK needs its own displacement identity so we don't have to listen to whining from the teams, fans, and organizers about homogeneity and artificial CRT bikes. Everything on SBKs should be production, not stock necessarily, just production (homologated or available on the open market). Then they need to ditch the current fuel capacity sanctioning method, and develop something that draws the interest of manufacturers, sponsors, and private teams.
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Ah, yes. To make GP legit, lets fuck up Wsbk. Good plan.
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Dorna and there rule thinking up ministers are great we should let then run the worlds economies
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Ah, yes. To make GP legit, lets fuck up Wsbk. Good plan.




Specifically, how is WSBK going to be ruined by using production parts in a production series and creating a unique identity with displacement?
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Specifically, how is WSBK going to be ruined by using production parts in a production series and creating a unique identity with displacement?




I love proddie racing - I think the fact that you cannot get it on the TV in the States and the marketing and promotion to the deliberate detriment of the series to bolster motogp is something that will be an issue.





You are the marketing whiz, what do you normally do when you buy your competitor out?





Salary caps? Riders like Rossi cannot play one series off against the other? I don't really know, I doknowthat I don't like Dorna/Bridgepoint having both.
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They don't need to choose one or the other. They just need to unwind all of the dumb changes they've made during the last decade. They only needed to switch GP to four-stroke, and fix the homologation rules for WSBK so the manufacturers didn't have to build 750cc homologation specials. Somehow GP and SBK ended up with identical capacity, engine cycle, and equipment (essentially), and we got a contract that prohibited teams from running production equipment in GP, though production equipment is a subset of competition motorcycles. Production bikes cannot be excluded from GP competition no matter what the Italians say.



SBK needs its own displacement identity so we don't have to listen to whining from the teams, fans, and organizers about homogeneity and artificial CRT bikes. Everything on SBKs should be production, not stock necessarily, just production (homologated or available on the open market). Then they need to ditch the current fuel capacity sanctioning method, and develop something that draws the interest of manufacturers, sponsors, and private teams.
You left the riders out of list. Make the bikes too crapulent and it may no longer be the pinnacle to strive for. Might be cheaper, less hassle and more lucrative to wander to say, BSB.
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I love proddie racing - I think the fact that you cannot get it on the TV in the States and the marketing and promotion to the deliberate detriment of the series to bolster motogp is something that will be an issue.





You are the marketing whiz, what do you normally do when you buy your competitor out?





Salary caps? Riders like Rossi cannot play one series off against the other? I don't really know, I doknowthat I don't like Dorna/Bridgepoint having both.




If the US has no TV contract, we might get free internet streaming. In the long run, I think Dorna will create an online service like the MotoGP website, which will be better for many fans. Coverage will improve, imo, b/c Dorna has the personnel, technical partners, equipment, and media outlets to produce and excellent show.





Regarding sanctioning, I've probably bored everyone with my ramblings. However, I will say that fuel-flow-limiting is becoming much more intriguing. I've been reading every scrap I can find, and it turns out that fuel-flow-limiting technologies have been created as part of a bid process for FIA/ACO competition. Several companies have the systems and the personnel to administrate the technology so it's a turnkey sanctioning method. This could create a more fair method of balancing power between twins, triples, and fours in WSBK. I would use FFL to return to 750s (maybe 800s) and I would do something clever like set max twin capacity at 917cc to throw Ducati a marketing bone.





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