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September 16th, 2012, 06:26 AM   #51
 
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Part of the problem for manly is that toovey is trying to beat hasler at his own game, and I think hasler is smarter, football wise anyway. If Lyon is on field he is smart enough in his own right.



I was at the only grand final where a performance approached that of Manly in 2008, the white boots game in the 70s (in high school at the time), and even allowing for my bias I think Manly were more dominant than Easts were then, and certainly better than they were in the 2011 grand final, with a pre-knee injury brett stewart and steve menzies a major part of the superiority.


Phone auto correct got me, hasler/manly rivalry not hacker.



Good to see you are a manly fan. There will be plenty in the GF if both the fogs and manly get there.
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Your point is you have no point......simple. Unless you somehow know what its like to pilot a Desmosedici at anywhere near Motogp race pace, and this I seriously doubt.



And when was the last time a Ducati engineer went into a gravel trap at 200+kph like Rossi, Nicky, Karol and Hector have regularly for the past two years? How do you pass judgement on a Motogp riders commitment from the safety of your armchair? Especially one that has competed in, and won more than any other rider in the past 30 years?
My judgement on a riders commitment comes from what Rossi has said,and results.I have never ridden a Moto GP bike.No,ofcourse not.I can only form my opinion from what I read and see on TV.

I'm not saying Rossi/Burgess hasn't tried at all ofcourse,but comparing results vs. complaints to Stoner riding the Ducati 2 years ago,not 6,I have a hard time putting 100% of the blame on Ducati.That's all.



I'm sorry I'm really off topic with these posts.
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So is the RCV a V?
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September 20th, 2012, 05:16 AM   #54
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yup.

72 or 75 degrees seems to be the consensus

but heres the most interesting thing : if you rotate that engine a bit in your mind it looks like a L !

but yeah, its not 90° it seems at least i haven't seen pictures of the engine that would suggest that and it sounds quite different to the 90° duc when it was in screamer configuration
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September 20th, 2012, 08:19 AM   #55
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Not interested in debating this with you, Especially on a Honda engine thread. I'm not a Rossi hater but the fact remains that there was far more hype surrounding Rossi and JB's move to Ducati with high hopes of them making it a competitive bike for anyone to ride. They moved heaven and earth to try and make the bike suit him and he's just thrown his toys out of the pram whereas melandri was sent to a shrink.



Finally, Rossi is being paid over $10mil a year... If you think melandri, stoner and hayden got that then you are deluded.



I measured the Honda at about 72 deg too




I'd be inclined to agree with what you've said.



The "80 second fix" quote being used out of context on this site has just become a pet peeve of mine. It ruins many a good point for me. When I said "you should know better", it wasn't meant as an insult.
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yup.

72 or 75 degrees seems to be the consensus

but heres the most interesting thing : if you rotate that engine a bit in your mind it looks like a L !

but yeah, its not 90° it seems at least i haven't seen pictures of the engine that would suggest that and it sounds quite different to the 90° duc when it was in screamer configuration


And in there lies the real problem with the Duc. Honda have placed their V so that the effect of the VSG ( albeit much more reduced than a 90 deg V/L ) is centred around a perceived CoG. in a corner.
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September 21st, 2012, 12:37 PM   #57
 
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Hard to know. Both teams are crucially dependent on 3 players being fit and playing well, with the three Melbourne players obvious to all, and lyon and the stewart brothers the three for Manly imo, with lyon the most crucial as the Canterbury game demonstrated.


Manly were well off their game last night. The refs sided with the storm as well - one could call it karma. That second try was ridiculous.



I'm a bit nervous about the game tonight. Tge dogs will need to play better than they did against manly. If the dogs lose I will be happy for the bunnies to win the gf.
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Manly were well off their game last night. The refs sided with the storm as well - one could call it karma. That second try was ridiculous.



I'm a bit nervous about the game tonight. Tge dogs will need to play better than they did against manly. If the dogs lose I will be happy for the bunnies to win the gf.
For whatever reason Manly were not good enough, and the pattern was similar to previous recent Manly vs Storm finals games, where one side or the other wins big. I think this year was Manly's last chance for a while as well, but I can't complain after their considerable success in recent years.
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Woods/Mike, what in the hey-all are u two talking about?
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Woods/Mike, what in the hey-all are u two talking about?
Rugby league, sorry jumkie.
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