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June 28th, 2012, 10:14 PM   #1
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Before i get a kicking have a think.



He is making the Ducati look worse than it is and here is why.



We are watching a legend in decline and i dont believe his results on a Yamaha or Honda will be massively better,i remember the days when he got a ten second penelty and still won by a mile or could toy with Gibbers and then dissapear but with zillions in the bank and a life style to die for i dont believe the motivation is still there,watching the king post a quick time being towed by Pedro and Nicky's pace yesterday shows the Ducati works ok. Ive been watching GP for over thirty years and we have seen this many times,i remember Randy Mamola's last years and they were very similar he could get a good time on the Cagiva with a tow or in the wet were his experience shone through as does Rossi and like the current situation the Cagiva was blamed but Randy got a factory Yamaha and Bud sponsership and nothing changed but Lawson and Kozinski got on the Cagiva and won,it has been awsome to have watched Rossi at the peek of his powers and i think he is the best ever but its over,maybe a win and a few podiums on another bike but not another title,as a foot note if Cal jumps on the Ducati we will see some fireworks.
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I think the race you on about was either 03 or 05 Philip island where he got a 10 sec pen and still won by 13 secs We still see run away races like this from stoner or lorenzo and i personally believe rossi is still capable of running at the front and some run away races on occasion. I don't think the doctor is past it yet but only time will tell i guess.

When i look at riders who i think have the quality to be multi champs one of the things i look for is how they come back from injury. When Lorenzo got injured he came back even faster and this said to me he was a champ of the future. Rossi escaped injury apart from a broken wrist at assen for most of his career. Then he had a nasty fracture in his leg. Did this take the shine off him, or is it all bike related ??
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I dont think it is all bike related Chopper as he is often out qualified and beaten by lesser riders on the same or lesser version of his bike so its the rider,Rossi's stats say that on the same bike he should be head and shoulders above anyone on a Ducati but he isnt and that is down to the rider and his mental attitude to the job,someone posted else where that for Moto gp to move on they need to embrace new talent and stop riding the Rossi gravy train and i agree,im also a boxing fan and this is like people throwing money at there old hero every time he makes a comeback on the off chance he can do it once again.I have not been a great fan of Stoner and i dont know why really as he is a fantastic talent and worthy champion but what has put him above all at the moment in my oppinion is the massive show of integerity he has shown over his retirement, he said i dont agree so im off,he is still competative and sought after but will not do it just for cash and that has to be respected.
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I dont think it is all bike related Chopper as he is often out qualified and beaten by lesser riders on the same or lesser version of his bike so its the rider,Rossi's stats say that on the same bike he should be head and shoulders above anyone on a Ducati but he isnt and that is down to the rider and his mental attitude to the job,someone posted else where that for Moto gp to move on they need to embrace new talent and stop riding the Rossi gravy train and i agree,im also a boxing fan and this is like people throwing money at there old hero every time he makes a comeback on the off chance he can do it once again.I have not been a great fan of Stoner and i dont know why really as he is a fantastic talent and worthy champion but what has put him above all at the moment in my oppinion is the massive show of integerity he has shown over his retirement, he said i dont agree so im off,he is still competative and sought after but will not do it just for cash and that has to be respected.


Out qualified, maybe, out raced though? He's still the fastest Ducati in the overall and when he has a bike that works and inspires confidence he puts up a fight - Le Mans anyone?



Anyway, it seems like the Rossi-Ducati relationship will be coming to an end, according to Gpone....
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I dont think it is all bike related Chopper as he is often out qualified and beaten by lesser riders on the same or lesser version of his bike so its the rider,Rossi's stats say that on the same bike he should be head and shoulders above anyone on a Ducati but he isnt and that is down to the rider and his mental attitude to the job,someone posted else where that for Moto gp to move on they need to embrace new talent and stop riding the Rossi gravy train and i agree,im also a boxing fan and this is like people throwing money at there old hero every time he makes a comeback on the off chance he can do it once again.I have not been a great fan of Stoner and i dont know why really as he is a fantastic talent and worthy champion but what has put him above all at the moment in my oppinion is the massive show of integerity he has shown over his retirement, he said i dont agree so im off,he is still competative and sought after but will not do it just for cash and that has to be respected.
I understand what you're saying but remember 2009 his last season on yam before joining Ducati he left yamaha the world champion. He gained 2 world championships after stoner 07 title and back then many had stated he was past it.

Maybe he is now but i dont think so. I think there are so many variables with bikes,riders and bike riding styles to write him off solely on his last two years at ducati.

Dispite what the haters say, he did have good competition in the day with the likes of Biaggi, gibbers ect. It was just a shame Kato died as i think he would have given rossi a right hard time.

I think he will find it harder now to win it all with Lorenzo about. He is not so easily spooked like Biaggi, gibbers and stoner.
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I dont think he is done, i just think he has no confidence on that Duc. He is in great shape, no injuries, and when he has good feeling we see the "old" rossi come out. Get him on a bike that he can feel and predict and I think we will see different results. Will he be world champ again? Who knows
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I dont think he is done, i just think he has no confidence on that Duc. He is in great shape, no injuries, and when he has good feeling we see the "old" rossi come out. Get him on a bike that he can feel and predict and I think we will see different results. Will he be world champ again? Who knows
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I understand what you're saying but remember 2009 his last season on yam before joining Ducati he left yamaha the world champion. He gained 2 world championships after stoner 07 title and back then many had stated he was past it.

Maybe he is now but i dont think so. I think there are so many variables with bikes,riders and bike riding styles to write him off solely on his last two years at ducati.

Dispite what the haters say, he did have good competition in the day with the likes of Biaggi, gibbers ect. It was just a shame Kato died as i think he would have given rossi a right hard time.

I think he will find it harder now to win it all with Lorenzo about. He is not so easily spooked like Biaggi, gibbers and stoner.




A very intelligent answer chopper but the nine times world champ with the best development skills should not be out qualified by Hector or beaten by his one title team mate and then made to look very slow by a one legged B team rider starting from the back of the grid.As ive said im far from a Rossi hater in fact hes the best ive ever seen but its over.
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Rossi still has plenty of talent, health, and motivation, the caveat of motivation extends to when placed in a wining situation. Again people taking results at face value as usual. Rossi hasn't suddenly lost talent at Ducati, but certainly his confidence and some motivation has been drained over his stint. This is the power and consequence of not being on the best everything, which up until his switch to Ducati has been the reality for VR's MotoGP experience. Rossi enjoyed having superior bikes and especially superior tires to his competitors for many years, this is a FACT that can NOT be understated! I've argued this point for a long time, he is no better or worse than the top 5 riders in the world (including his teammate), where Rossi may be superior to them is in racecraft aggression, BUT only if the bike will allow for it. Nobody could imagine now Rossi forcing Stoner off line at the corkscrew because his confidence on the Ducati would never allow him this luxury today. Put Lorenzo and Pedro on a Ducati tomorrow and they'd suddenly look like shit despite people convinced recently Lorenzo is as good "talent wise" as Stoner or has a superior bike to the RCV. Put them on a 2nd tier bike like a Ducati for an extended period of time, and you'd have Pedro crying, perhaps putting on a lame pretend conversation with his [s]dad[/s] "mentor" Puig in some comic Spanish show fielding questions designed to talk shit about Ducati (which apparently they loved considering their main priority is to keep the man while putting their mouth shut, head down, teammate who for all intents and purposes has matched VR on the waiting list behind Rossi and Crutchlow). Lorenzo might fair a bit better in the staged antics department if he would have accepted the 15 million, but not by much.



That is the result of divas being put in a situation that is less than perfect. All the 4 "aliens" (still a bullshit lazy term) have only experienced (with the exception of Stoner) being number one on a top factory team where the team makes it clear you are their priority, hope and desire. Never being second fiddle, imagine the confidence that kind of treatment offers the mind of that rider, not to mention always one of the two best brands in the series. Up until Rossi's ill fate move to Ducati (which was a direct consequence of refusing to be a co-#1, yeah that is right, not even a #2, but an equal #1) only one other of the supposed "aliens" has proved to deal with adversity, that is Casey (love him or hate him, that is the truth) and now Rossi (who really hasn't dealt with the adversity to great considering he has talked shit about the company openly and is now looking to get bailed out). Notwithstanding, nowCasey is dealing with a personally created distraction in deciding to leave the sport (no judgment about his decision but is nonetheless a distraction) and has deal with it by placing the blame on the tire direction. But getting back to Rossi, the sport doesn't punish the divas for their own bad decision, to the contrary, it bails them out thanks to the leadership. If Rossi gets on a factory spec Japanese bike (looking likely), expect him to be dicing with the leaders. How could he not, there are only a few competitive bikes in the series with a bunch of CRTs and Ducati filler to trick the spectators into thinking its a proper championship.
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A very intelligent answer chopper but the nine times world champ with the best development skills should not be out qualified by Hector or beaten by his one title team mate and then made to look very slow by a one legged B team rider starting from the back of the grid.As ive said im far from a Rossi hater in fact hes the best ive ever seen but its over.
I know your not a hater mate, in fact i enjoy reading your posts even if im not agreeing. You offer up a good debate.

What you have said above is on the lips of many race fans and rossi fans. How can the great Rossi get handed his ass by so called lesser riders on lesser bikes, then to mind fuck us all he will come good (le mans). He is not in his prime for sure but i feel he still has plenty to offer. I think if he went back to honda or yam he would be up there fighting for a championship with lorenzo. It would be nice to see him go out champ but i think the younger Lorenzo has the edge now. I'm hoping he stays at ducati with jb and gets the duc to a podium bike before retiring. I personally will consider that leaving at the top of his game.
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