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February 7th, 2012, 12:40 PM   #1
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Testing is done with no fuel restrictions and the CRTs get to race with extra fuel, so will the gap from prototype to CRTs be much closer in the actual races than we realise.



If the factory bikes test with race mapping rather than qualifying mapping (full power), for how much of the test laps is this done? 0%, 50%, 100%?.



So, is the dream of closer racing a real chance , or is it as likely as a Gingrich/ Romney victory over Obama??
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Never underestimate the power of dumb people. Keep in mind, at one time the following presidential candidates were all viable options and front runners according to very stupid voters: Palin, Cain (Herman), Bachman, and Perry.



To answer your GP question, I don't think the mapping during testing will make a detectible difference.
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Testing is done with no fuel restrictions and the CRTs get to race with extra fuel, so will the gap from prototype to CRTs be much closer in the actual races than we realise.



If the factory bikes test with race mapping rather than qualifying mapping (full power), for how much of the test laps is this done? 0%, 50%, 100%?.



So, is the dream of closer racing a real chance , or is it as likely as a Gingrich/ Romney victory over Obama??


What im still struggle to grasp is that when we had 800cc the Factories would barely make race distance with 21 litres fuel.

Now they are 1000cc (more power more torque) and its gonna be evan harder. Fuck knows how they will do it.
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Testing is done with no fuel restrictions and the CRTs get to race with extra fuel, so will the gap from prototype to CRTs be much closer in the actual races than we realise.



If the factory bikes test with race mapping rather than qualifying mapping (full power), for how much of the test laps is this done? 0%, 50%, 100%?.



So, is the dream of closer racing a real chance , or is it as likely as a Gingrich/ Romney victory over Obama??
We'll have to see race pace vs QT times, it might help RDP and CE to take down some Satellite bikes. The other thing good about more riders on the grid fighting for points is no more hearing, "I decided to play it safe and hold my position", we had lots of extra action last year with Dovi and Bautista fighting at mid pack. Hopefully it turns into more action that last the entire race.
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What im still struggle to grasp is that when we had 800cc the Factories would barely make race distance with 21 litres fuel.

Now they are 1000cc (more power more torque) and its gonna be evan harder. Fuck knows how they will do it.


Energy in = Energy out + losses due to engine inefficiency.



Just because an engine is bigger doesn't mean it will burn more fuel.



The engine management electronics will govern ho much energy they will use, the thing they have to develop is better efficiency. Less bore friction etc. its all good development.
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On fuel....

In the interview with Stoner after Sepang;

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With these more powerful, heavier bikes, you still have the same fuel capacity permitted. Do you follow the collaboration between Honda engineers and Repsol to provide Dani and yourself with the best fuel possible?

"Of course, when you have more power there is a critical aspect involved: Obtaining the same performance with less fuel consumption. We have the same fuel tank capacity as with the 800cc bikes, only with a lot more power available, so it is going to be rather difficult to ensure that we can finish each race. That is why it’s crucial that Honda and Repsol work together to find the best solution."



Surely teams can't 'develop' the best possible fuel.

I am sure there is a spec fuel for the series, and all the teams use the same fuel. If that is the case, how can they suggest Honda needs to work with Repsol to provide the best fuel possible.

Maybe Repsol engineers are assisting Honda design the engines to maximise fuel efficiency, but that is not the way the story reads.

Does anyone know - are Repsol the fuel suppliers for the series, or are teams free to get fuel from wherever they like.
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On fuel....

In the interview with Stoner after Sepang;

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With these more powerful, heavier bikes, you still have the same fuel capacity permitted. Do you follow the collaboration between Honda engineers and Repsol to provide Dani and yourself with the best fuel possible?

"Of course, when you have more power there is a critical aspect involved: Obtaining the same performance with less fuel consumption. We have the same fuel tank capacity as with the 800cc bikes, only with a lot more power available, so it is going to be rather difficult to ensure that we can finish each race. That is why it’s crucial that Honda and Repsol work together to find the best solution."



Surely teams can't 'develop' the best possible fuel.

I am sure there is a spec fuel for the series, and all the teams use the same fuel. If that is the case, how can they suggest Honda needs to work with Repsol to provide the best fuel possible.

Maybe Repsol engineers are assisting Honda design the engines to maximise fuel efficiency, but that is not the way the story reads.

Does anyone know - are Repsol the fuel suppliers for the series, or are teams free to get fuel from wherever they like.


They are free to work in collaborative partnership with oil companies to tackle this issue from both ends ie mechanical (HRC) and chemical (Repsol). Electronics also play a significant role in all this fuel efficiency advancement.



The pairing of Ducati/Shell in 2007 lead to the development of a very efficient Engine/Fuel delivery system and is one of the reasons they managed a world championship....the bike rode itself apparently.
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