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February 6th, 2012, 07:29 AM   #61
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To be honest, it would be a huge u turn for Rossi, but I agree, there may just be a wee chance at Yam for him. Honda, no way, you don't leave Honda and go back. But, the Yamaha thing might just be a goer. I don't see why Yamaha would touch Pedrosa, he's had it his own way at Honda for years, and got made to look second hand by Stoner. Stranger things have happened................


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Pedrosa is the Spanish Haga - minus likeability.
Minus a bit more brotha. How was your recent trip? PM me the details.
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Pedrosa is the Spanish Haga - minus likeability.


And a bucket load more wins.
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Why would Repsol even dream of hiring Spies over Pedrosa?



Wins ...... definitely not.



Likeability ....... no way, Repsol and their customers hardly even know who Spies is let lone like him. They already have a Spanish guy who is a household name and adored by their customers.



Hell, Stoner won the WC for Repsol, and they are only just fie with that. At least they can kinda drag out Pedro .... cos he's part of the wining team ......... and I think Stoner is just fine with things like that.



Spies v's Pedor ........ no contest ATM, check back with me on that at the end of 2012 though.



You USer's have a rednecked idea:



1. of just how, good your riders currently are



2. of how "liked" they are internationally.









At least we know and can see how "liked: Stoner is I guess
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Why would Repsol even dream of hiring Spies over Pedrosa?



Wins ...... definitely not.



Likeability ....... no way, Repsol and their customers hardly even know who Spies is let lone like him. They already have a Spanish guy who is a household name and adored by their customers.



Hell, Stoner won the WC for Repsol, and they are only just fie with that. At least they can kinda drag out Pedro .... cos he's part of the wining team ......... and I think Stoner is just fine with things like that.



Spies v's Pedor ........ no contest ATM, check back with me on that at the end of 2012 though.



You USer's have a rednecked idea:



1. of just how, good your riders currently are



2. of how "liked" they are internationally.









At least we know and can see how "liked: Stoner is I guess


You [s]teabags[/s] Ozzies (displaced Brits)... always think you have everyone sussed out - but you're just as prone to believe media hype as anyone else.

I assume you're talking to me. I never suggested Pedrosa was less popular in Europe than Spies. I was merely carrying forward the proposition that Spies would likely enjoy more success on the better sorted out Honda.
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And a bucket load more wins.
Haga may not have won any races in GP. However, I'm not aware of Pedro's win in Wsbk.
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You USer's have a rednecked idea...


Thats three times this week. Did you, Mental & Steifel PM eachother for a secret meet up to circle jerk around the "American complex"?
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Pedrosa is the Spanish Haga - minus likeability.
something true in that
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Why would Repsol even dream of hiring Spies over Pedrosa?



Wins ...... definitely not.



Likeability ....... no way, Repsol and their customers hardly even know who Spies is let lone like him. They already have a Spanish guy who is a household name and adored by their customers.



Hell, Stoner won the WC for Repsol, and they are only just fie with that. At least they can kinda drag out Pedro .... cos he's part of the wining team ......... and I think Stoner is just fine with things like that.



Spies v's Pedor ........ no contest ATM, check back with me on that at the end of 2012 though.



You USer's have a rednecked idea:



1. of just how, good your riders currently are



2. of how "liked" they are internationally.









At least we know and can see how "liked: Stoner is I guess
Why all the negativity about everyone and everything except stoner, whilst bristling at even the most minor criticism of stoner? It even annoys me at times, and I am hardly anti-stoner.



I think it is very valid to speculate concerning spies and pedrosa swapping, particularly since both are up for new contracts for 2013 and marquez can't be on a factory honda till 2014 at the earliest. Spies was a fabulous superbike rider, and I myself wonder whether the more raw power-orientated honda 800 may have suited him better than the yamaha, while the yamaha 800 seemed like more of a cornerspeed/250 style bike, and dani was an excellent 250 rider, where he beat both stoner and lorenzo. Spies has had his problems on the yamaha, particularly his starts which may relate to his size, but on the week-end in Assen when everything came together for him he smoked everyone including stoner, so even on the yamaha it would be reasonable to think there is some potential there.
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Why all the negativioty about everyone and everything except stoner, whilst bristling at even the most minor criticism of stoner? It even annoys me at times, and I am hardly anti-stoner.



I think it is very valid to speculate concerning spies and pedrosa swapping, particularly since both are up for new contracts for 2013 and marquez can't be on a factory honda till 2014 at the earliest. Spies was a fabulous superbike rider, and I myself wonder whether the more raw power-orientated honda 800 may have suited him better than the yamaha, while the yamaha 800 seemed like more of a cornerspeed/250 style bike, and dani was an excellent 250 rider, where he beat both stoner and lorenzo. Spies has had his problems on the yamaha, particularly his starts which may relate to his size, but on the week-end in Assen when everything came together for him he smoked everyone including stoner, so even on the yamaha it would be reasonable to think there is some potential there.


Michael ........ am not going to sit here and deny the facts:



Pedrosa still is winning more than Spies ......... by a long shot ......... he doesn't even show less promise yet.



Pedrosa is a well loved MGP star in his own country.



How is it even possible to not take these into account when discussing how Spies could replace Pedrosa!?



I am quite clearly positive about Pedrosa, I also am about Lorenzo, Spies, etc. etc. etc but if its negative to attempt to not take a "rednecked" view of the reality of Pedrosa v's Spies .......... then so be it, and I shall remain so ......... may even get worse at it too.



If I was to take some the posts in this thread as reality then I am to believe:



Spies has won and will win more than Pedrosa ........ no he hasn't and maybe he might as I said. I cann0t answer "oh yeah I hate that midget mofo and his knocky offy Haydeny ways,and he hasn't achieved anything" ......... this is the guy that has the 4th most wins in the current line-up.



Who's being negative about who?



Because the posts on here were painting a picture of Spies as being better than Pedrosa .......... they are in fact negative towards Pedrosa and the current data we have to go on ........ even I who probably likes Spies ....... if i have to say it 2nd to Stoner, do have to be realistic about how things currently look. Any real negativity is towards fans who portray false data and make false assumptions based on wat data is available.



For the following questions what is your answer:



1. Who has won more races out of Pedrosa and Spies Since Spies has been on a factory ride? by what factor? Who therefore looks best?



2. Who has placed higher in the WC since P v's S? Who therefore looks best?



3. WHo is more liked by Repsols customers? Who therefore looks best?



Are you negative?
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