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May 15th, 2011, 05:47 PM   #11
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Talpa hasn't gone far enough. Stoner should be publically hung, drawn and quartered for treason/disrespect for royalty and this should be made retrospective to 2007 when he first showed disrespect for said royalty by beating him. The need is even more urgent now because he is within 1 win of matching valentino for race wins in competition against each other.



It was a stupid thing for stoner to do and he fully deserves the fine which perhaps should have been larger. Whilst his action can in no way be condoned the real danger was not large, as opposed to actually hitting at 300kmh someone adjusting the clutch on the racing line, or rossi's pass at jerez and simoncelli's pass in this race, for which I personally would punish neither rider as they were both racing incidents. If talpa wants to take the race away from stoner they should take away rossi's last corner pass win against gibernau, and possibly the points from several races after if the punishment is to reflect actual danger and intent.



I think rossi is looking very good by the way, as the ducati can only improve and I am not sure yamaha has the will or the funds this year to give lorenzo the power upgrade he needs, or indeed if there is anything left in the current engine; this may surprise talpa but I also think it possible that yamaha are already missing rossi's development input . If the front-end instability problem of the ducati is solved when they get closer to true podium pace rossi is a very serious contender for this year's championship, not just close to favourite for next year's as I and others have already said.
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my take is ... i can fully understand stoner being well pissed about that, randy was cruising then just decided to swerve out infront of stoner which could have been nasty, randy should pay more attention but also that was totally the wrong reaction from stoner, having a rant at randy would have been enough but jabbing him in the shoulder was a step to far me thinks.
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my take is ... i can fully understand stoner being well pissed about that, randy was cruising then just decided to swerve out infront of stoner which could have been nasty, randy should pay more attention but also that was totally the wrong reaction from stoner, having a rant at randy would have been enough but jabbing him in the shoulder was a step to far me thinks.


+1 Exactly Jaz.



As I and many others have already stated Stoner has no justification for that OTT reaction even if RDP did do something quite dangerous. They have both apologised to each other and have subsequently moved on from this incident...unlike Talpa.
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I believe extreme measures need to be employed to curve this consistently appalling behavior from Stoner. With all the talk of dangerous riding and the focus on Sic, for me Stoner was by far the most dangerous man out on track at Le Mans.


Men have been pussified enough for one century. A punch in the arm is no big deal. The governing body must act b/c they understand consciously or subconsciously that without officiating, men at play will soon be men at war. Basic tit-for-tat and politically correct optics for PR. It's too bad the officials don't understand the same necessity for officiating during the races.
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my take is ... i can fully understand stoner being well pissed about that, randy was cruising then just decided to swerve out infront of stoner which could have been nasty, randy should pay more attention but also that was totally the wrong reaction from stoner, having a rant at randy would have been enough but jabbing him in the shoulder was a step to far me thinks.




Totally agree as I usually do with you Jaz.

Talpa having an anti Stoner rant? Wow I'd have never guessed.

Don't fall off your chairs here guys, but I'm getting the impression Talpa doesn't like Stoner & may even be biased against him.

Okay lads you can climb back on your chairs now.
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Men have been pussified enough for one century. A punch in the arm is no big deal. The governing body must act b/c they understand consciously or subconsciously that without officiating, men at play will soon be men at war. Basic tit-for-tat and politically correct optics for PR. It's too bad the officials don't understand the same necessity for officiating during the races.
Exactly. The officials have to act because he has escalated from gestures to physical contact, however feigned the punch may have been.

However I have seen no-one complain about his riding being unsafe in the real thing since 2007 or in 2007 for that matter, as opposed to some other riders in the field; he is probably among the most scrupulous about giving other riders room in races, and everyone including valentino seems to be happy to race closely with him, and as hard a charger as cal crutchlow sympathised with his concerns if not his action.
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As reported elsewhere



Also pinched this comment from Gavin Emmett's twitter...........

Superb comment from CS27 about €5,000 fine.

"At least Race Direction made a decision, which is rare" !!














EDIT: And more



“That's 5,000 well spent – the Australian rider declared – because at least it means the Race Direction is taking some action. I'm OK with Randy De Puniet; we spoke during the meeting with Race Direction, and Randy apologized to me. He said it was his fault and asked Race Direction not to fine me. I was wrong to give him a punch, but imagine going at 200 Km/h and finding someone in front of you going 100 Km/h slower. I didn't have any room to go around, because there was a wall next to me. My heart was in my throat and I though I was going to get killed."



Source: http://gpone.com/index.php/en/news/3...lio-spesi.html

















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Stoner was fined and he also admitted his reaction was wrong. time to move on Talpa







i have not heard any other rider say anything remotely similar to that. and that's all that matters.


But he was one of the only two riders punished this weekend for wreckless/dangerous action? Surely that means he is dangerous?
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it always seems to be CS who is having trouble with slower riders.
So that would mean he has trouble with the whole grid
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