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April 3rd, 2011, 12:21 PM   #1
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What constitutes a "racing incident", and why has this term almost become a platitude?



Anyway, in an attempt to detract from the interminable tedium currently spawning thread after thread over today's 'racing incident', what was the most infamous contentious and questionable incident/pass that you can dredge up out of your memories of motorcycle racing?



Let's begin by getting the Repsol Honda '06 Estoril debacle well and truly out of the way - while Laguna 08 has been similarly debated to death.



Anyone recall 'lil John who had already secured the WSB championship flattening Crafar on the way to his debut win in the series?



Mine would have to be 1998 Capirossi/Harada at the Argentinian GP



Without revisiting/dredging up Rossi's other Jerez 'misdemeanour/indiscretion' dig deep....what do you reckon?



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ok without having to address the many incidents over the years ill pick 2.



Today was a racing incident



Capi - Harada was damn right criminal imo.
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Arabi, thanks for removing the top 4 which were clearly NOT mere "racing incidents":



Jerez 05

Estoril 06

Laguna 08

Jerez 11



All of which, in my opinion, were a result of reckless desperation, as oppose to a good faith "racing incident". I think what you are asking is, what other incidents can we add to this list?



I'm not sure how to answer though, because the title of the thread suggest foul play "dodgiest" move (maybe just my ignorance of that word's connotation) as oppose to "racing incident", or what I think is just a mere result of two riders in GOOD FAITH racing resulting in incidental contact or disruption.



Sorry, maybe I should just stick to answering this: what was the most infamous contentious and questionable incident/pass that you can dredge up out of your memories of motorcycle racing?



I'd like to warn you, any of these relating to Rossi will be controversial. Reason for this is that there are many "racing incidents", actually in every race probably, but what makes them memorable is the fall out.



Ok, well I'd say the one that stands out for me is Istanbul 07, Toni Elias and Rossi. That was just a mere "racing incident", no "dodgy" move.



So I'll take the liberty of answering your question as I understand it: I don't think its the most contentious, but it was certainly very shitty; the fateful pass attempt by Carlos Checa on Max Neukirchner, WSBK Valencia 08. One of the most bone headed moves ever with career damaging consequences.
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Does anyone think Simoncelli's move over on Barbera at Mugello counts? (250)



http://www.sportmotor.hu/motoros_vid...-barbera-78049
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excellent topic!! What is a racing incident?



Barros and Jacque at the Sachsenring 2002??



If i recall Barros wasn't actually attempting a pass, his error just collected someone else. Does that change things?
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Does anyone think Simoncelli's move over on Barbera at Mugello counts? (250)



http://www.sportmotor.hu/motoros_vid...-barbera-78049
That is NOT a racing incident! I think you nailed Arabis question.
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Does anyone think Simoncelli's move over on Barbera at Mugello counts? (250)



http://www.sportmotor.hu/motoros_vid...-barbera-78049


Or even in F1, Schumacher and Villeneuve.



http://video.dailytelegraph.com.au/1...kes-out-Stoner



Rossi just failed to make the corner and spilled. That's not an act of trying to take someone own. Desperation? Well, yes!
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Or even in F1, Schumacher and Villeneuve.



http://video.dailytelegraph.com.au/1...kes-out-Stoner



Rossi just failed to make the corner and spilled. That's not an act of trying to take someone own. Desperation? Well, yes!


Thanks for the link Hayden! I slept through the broadcast today.



Look at all the marshals helping Rossi! Maybe there's an explanation, but that looks ridiculous!



As for the incident, I'm okay with chalking it up to being a racing "deal" (a little NASCAR speak for you ). Rossi made a risky move, but that's racing. You gotta take a risk sometimes.
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Does anyone think Simoncelli's move over on Barbera at Mugello counts? (250)



http://www.sportmotor.hu/motoros_vid...-barbera-78049


Yeah, definitely up there with one of the worst racing maneuvers of all time.



Checa vs. Neukirchner still pisses me off a bit. Really stupid riding by Checa.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IthdtcuvVCo[/media]



Some of the worst racing I have ever seen though was Little John vs. Max Biaggi at Paul Ricard in 1998 IIRC. Neither of them went down, but if anything damaged Max's fragile psyche, it was Little John trying to run him into the wall on the front straight at Paul Ricard. It happened less than a year after Little John scuttled Crafar at Sentul. The French GP was only Biaggi's 5th race on a 500cc, and I think Little John's move had an impact on how Biaggi raced for the rest of his career.
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Lex, if you notice, I didn't post a vid of the Max N Checa torpedo incident. I wish you would have done the same. Fuck Checa.
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