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January 18th, 2011, 12:57 PM   #1
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"The Australian, who won the world title for Ducati in a memorable 2007 campaign, signed a deal to switch to the Repsol Honda squad as early as the second race last season.



He was offered a new Ducati contract but having chosen to join HRC, Ducati were able to complete the multi-million signing of Italian icon Valentino Rossi on a two-year deal."







So, Stoner had to leave Ducati for Rossi to be signed??

I have little doubt that Rossi would not have moved to Ducati if Stoner were still there. To flee a strong Lorenzo and arrive with a strong(er?) adversary in Stoner seems unlikely.



Could Ducati have afforded both?

Would Ducati have sacked Stoner to sign Rossi (presumably demanding CSs departure to get his signature)? Well they didn,t.

Would Stoner have stayed if Rossi did sign and accept him as a team-mate? I think Casey would have relished the challenge, but I think he was ready to move to Honda, so the question seems academic.



Could you then conclude that Stoner was Ducatis first choice?





If Stoner did not leave Ducati, what would Rossi have done then? Put up with Lorenzo? Move to Honda? Retire?
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"The Australian, who won the world title for Ducati in a memorable 2007 campaign, signed a deal to switch to the Repsol Honda squad as early as the second race last season.



He was offered a new Ducati contract but having chosen to join HRC, Ducati were able to complete the multi-million signing of Italian icon Valentino Rossi on a two-year deal."







So, Stoner had to leave Ducati for Rossi to be signed??

I have little doubt that Rossi would not have moved to Ducati if Stoner were still there. To flee a strong Lorenzo and arrive with a strong(er?) adversary in Stoner seems unlikely.



Could Ducati have afforded both?

Would Ducati have sacked Stoner to sign Rossi (presumably demanding CSs departure to get his signature)? Well they didn,t.

Would Stoner have stayed if Rossi did sign and accept him as a team-mate? I think Casey would have relished the challenge, but I think he was ready to move to Honda, so the question seems academic.



Could you then conclude that Stoner was Ducatis first choice?





If Stoner did not leave Ducati, what would Rossi have done then? Put up with Lorenzo? Move to Honda? Retire?


If Stoner had won more than one Championship, if Rossi had not screwed up his shoulder and then broken his leg, if Pedders had been more consistent, if Suzi had more power, if .........



Or more to the point if Ducati had wanted to keep Stoner so much they could have offered him real money - that they previously offered Hogay a multiple of Stoner's pay and Rossi's earnings are public domain could hardly have been a motivating for him.



All of these were factors in easing Stoner out at Ducati - the main sponsor plain didn't like him and his yeast infection had not endeared him to anyone. Crashing and general catastrophy on the track are pissers, but are seen as part of the sport - mysterious illness is not



But it's not all bad - everybody likes a change and a challenge. I'd bet a lot of Stoner's early season loss of form was lack of commitment during his Honda negotiations. When that was settled and he relaxed he rode some great races - PI was ImO the best
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If Stoner had won more than one Championship, if Rossi had not screwed up his shoulder and then broken his leg, if Pedders had been more consistent, if Suzi had more power, if .........



Or more to the point if Ducati had wanted to keep Stoner so much they could have offered him real money - that they previously offered Hogay a multiple of Stoner's pay and Rossi's earnings are public domain could hardly have been a motivating for him.



All of these were factors in easing Stoner out at Ducati - the main sponsor plain didn't like him and his yeast infection had not endeared him to anyone. Crashing and general catastrophy on the track are pissers, but are seen as part of the sport - mysterious illness is not



But it's not all bad - everybody likes a change and a challenge. I'd bet a lot of Stoner's early season loss of form was lack of commitment during his Honda negotiations. When that was settled and he relaxed he rode some great races - PI was ImO the best
I reckon stoner's decision ( and probably ducati's, or marlboro man's at least) was made when he had his health issues in 2009 and was disgruntled by ducati's/marlboro's (marlboro man's) attitude, which is why ducati pursued lorenzo at that time; with rossi bound for the world championship with yamaha then, ducati signing him was likely not even in prospect. Before valentino's injury last year, I recall reports of concern in the local italian press that ducati might end up with none of the top riders.
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I would have like for Rossi to stay at yamaha and Stoner to go to Honda. Jorge should have taken ducatis big money offer and challange on the duc but i guess he probably didn't want to be on that bike for reassons only he knows.
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If Stoner had won more than one Championship, if Rossi had not screwed up his shoulder and then broken his leg, if Pedders had been more consistent, if Suzi had more power, if .........



Or more to the point if Ducati had wanted to keep Stoner so much they could have offered him real money - that they previously offered Hogay a multiple of Stoner's pay and Rossi's earnings are public domain could hardly have been a motivating for him.



All of these were factors in easing Stoner out at Ducati - the main sponsor plain didn't like him and his yeast infection had not endeared him to anyone. Crashing and general catastrophy on the track are pissers, but are seen as part of the sport - mysterious illness is not



But it's not all bad - everybody likes a change and a challenge. I'd bet a lot of Stoner's early season loss of form was lack of commitment during his Honda negotiations. When that was settled and he relaxed he rode some great races - PI was ImO the best


Interesting how you start your post with all these if's as way of putting down the original post and then you grace us with some rippers of your own such as:



All of these were factors in easing Stoner out at Ducati - the main sponsor plain didn't like him and his yeast infection had not endeared him to anyone. Crashing and general catastrophy on the track are pissers, but are seen as part of the sport - mysterious illness is not



I am not aware of Marlboro's dislike for Stoner. I know they were unhappy with his absence but that is understandable because all their other riders were back markers who drew no attention to their brand. Then you suggest that his yeast infection, which is a pathetic attempt at humour and plagiarism as this is Curves comment, has not endeared him to ANYONE. Well I had full respect for Stoner for riding through the obvious illness that saw him unable to walk after getting off the bike whilst still beating all the other Ducati riders. Then he was man enough in the face of massive opposition and media scrutiny to take 3 races off so he could fix his health. And then he came back and totally spanked the field with some unbelievably dominate rides. I don't know what you get out of the sport but to me his conduct and performance was that of a real sportsMAN. You also then suggest that he was crash happy. Go ask Rossi why he wasn't prepared to take the Ducati to the limit and this is after Stoner had fixed up the disaster that he was given for a bike at the beginning of 2010.



All of that was bad but now you claim that the front of the bike had nothing to do with his crashes but it was his negotiations with Honda that made him have a bad start to the season.



Well I could say that Rossi used his shoulder and pending surgery as leverage in his negotiations to get allowance to test the Ducati. Rossi also circulated well down on his normal positions during this time which could quite possibly have also been a negotiation tool. Once it was settled and he could test he was suddenly running at the front again and surprise surprise no need to miss the last couple of races so he could get surgery.



I know you were trying to be funny but the least you could do is try and not be so damn pathetic whilst you do it.
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Bang on the money Tom.
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Interesting how you start your post with all these if's as way of putting down the original post and then you grace us with some rippers of your own such as:



All of these were factors in easing Stoner out at Ducati - the main sponsor plain didn't like him and his yeast infection had not endeared him to anyone. Crashing and general catastrophy on the track are pissers, but are seen as part of the sport - mysterious illness is not



I am not aware of Marlboro's dislike for Stoner. I know they were unhappy with his absence but that is understandable because all their other riders were back markers who drew no attention to their brand. Then you suggest that his yeast infection, which is a pathetic attempt at humour and plagiarism as this is Curves comment, has not endeared him to ANYONE. Well I had full respect for Stoner for riding through the obvious illness that saw him unable to walk after getting off the bike whilst still beating all the other Ducati riders. Then he was man enough in the face of massive opposition and media scrutiny to take 3 races off so he could fix his health. And then he came back and totally spanked the field with some unbelievably dominate rides. I don't know what you get out of the sport but to me his conduct and performance was that of a real sportsMAN. You also then suggest that he was crash happy. Go ask Rossi why he wasn't prepared to take the Ducati to the limit and this is after Stoner had fixed up the disaster that he was given for a bike at the beginning of 2010.



All of that was bad but now you claim that the front of the bike had nothing to do with his crashes but it was his negotiations with Honda that made him have a bad start to the season.



Well I could say that Rossi used his shoulder and pending surgery as leverage in his negotiations to get allowance to test the Ducati. Rossi also circulated well down on his normal positions during this time which could quite possibly have also been a negotiation tool. Once it was settled and he could test he was suddenly running at the front again and surprise surprise no need to miss the last couple of races so he could get surgery.



I know you were trying to be funny but the least you could do is try and not be so damn pathetic whilst you do it.
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