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December 15th, 2010, 09:27 PM   #1
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and I think there has a point in JB say that Yamaha will lack of engine speed but still have a better chassis and corner turn on the other there have a Honda that right now it's look like have a better Bike and Ducati which we already know have a beast power and right now is under develop Burgress and Rossi



So Juat want to know what do you guy's think about it?



"Yamaha’s domination of the 800cc MotoGP era could end in 2011 unless major improvements are made to the performance of its factory YZR-M1 engine.



Valentino Rossi’s legendary crew chief Jerry Burgess reckons the Japanese factory will need to improve horsepower and acceleration to have a chance of winning the last 800cc crown in the face of stiff competition from Ducati and Honda.



Yamaha has claimed the title for three years in succession and dominated MotoGP with Rossi and new world champion Jorge Lorenzo since the beginning of 2008.



But towards the end of the 2010 campaign Lorenzo urged Yamaha make big improvements to its YZR-M1 engine, which was slower than rivals Ducati and Honda.



The Spaniard is also looking or better acceleration to improve rear grip next season after a golden 2010 saw him claim nine victories.



Burgess told MCN: “Jorge has said that if he doesn't get a faster bike it will be very difficult for him next year. The Honda has been working extremely well and so for the first time perhaps not having Valentino on song for the whole year is already starting to hurt the development of the Yamaha.



"The Ducati outright speed is only a couple of kilometres higher than the Yamaha but the acceleration is very good."



Burgess has moved to Ducati with Rossi, who quit Yamaha at the end of the season after winning the MotoGP crown four times for the Japanese factory."
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As we all know, Rossi gave Yamaha that ultimatum to improve the M1 or he would leave. They did what he wanted.

Would Jorge have the same kind of clout?, Would Yamaha be prepared to go all out for the last 800cc season?

I presume they would want to try and retain their perfect record, but how far they would go by throwing money at the M1 is debatable.

In my opinion, they will do what they can to perform well through the season, but the main focus will be getting ready for 2012.
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December 16th, 2010, 12:28 AM   #3
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Burgess told MCN: “Jorge has said that if he doesn't get a faster bike it will be very difficult for him next year. The Honda has been working extremely well and so for the first time perhaps not having Valentino on song for the whole year is already starting to hurt the development of the Yamaha.


What a shame that a sore shoulder has such an impact on Rossi's ability to improve intricate race engine designs
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As we all know, Rossi gave Yamaha that ultimatum to improve the M1 or he would leave. They did what he wanted.

Would Jorge have the same kind of clout?, Would Yamaha be prepared to go all out for the last 800cc season?

I presume they would want to try and retain their perfect record, but how far they would go by throwing money at the M1 is debatable.

In my opinion, they will do what they can to perform well through the season, but the main focus will be getting ready for 2012.


I guess Rossi not ultimatum to improve M1 Or He leave , The reason rossi leave is because of JL. the last time I remember is end of 2007 when Rossi ultimatum to improve M1

right now I guess that Yamaha is stay on current engine because of 2012, but 1000cc will be just like 800cc because of electronic.
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I guess Rossi not ultimatum to improve M1 Or He leave , The reason rossi leave is because of JL. the last time I remember is end of 2007 when Rossi ultimatum to improve M1

right now I guess that Yamaha is stay on current engine because of 2012, but 1000cc will be just like 800cc because of electronic.


That was the ultimatum I was referring to.
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When is valentino ungagged? This sounds like mind games by proxy, although I guess he has got jerry involved in such things previously even when not gagged.
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When is valentino ungagged? This sounds like mind games by proxy, although I guess he has got jerry involved in such things previously even when not gagged.


Yes. Looking forward to Rossi's own verdict of things to come.
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Yes. Looking forward to Rossi's own verdict of things to come.


Rossi gagged or unplugged - he never criticized Honda as a bike after he left them - just their people skills

Doesn't alter the fact that the M1 is the RossiYam.

My bet is there won't be a successful HoGaYam. - Just whining about lack of power/ speed from HoGay

The next 2 seasons will be a Honda - Ducati fight.

2012 wouldn't surprise me to see Spies on a Honda.
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As we all know, Rossi gave Yamaha that ultimatum to improve the M1 or he would leave. They did what he wanted.

Would Jorge have the same kind of clout?, Would Yamaha be prepared to go all out for the last 800cc season?

I presume they would want to try and retain their perfect record, but how far they would go by throwing money at the M1 is debatable.

In my opinion, they will do what they can to perform well through the season, but the main focus will be getting ready for 2012.


With all due respect Sprog, the ultimatum was Rossi or Lorenzo. They chose both, which was unacceptable for Rossi, so he left.



About Yamaha's commitment, well I think it would NOT have been different with or without Rossi. Why? Well lets take a look at their logic and vested interest, they wanted both riders, which means their commitment to the program was not questionable. So Rossi decides to abandon ship, how might this effect their commitment to the project? Unless I don't understand the dynamic, I thought Yamaha management were the shot callers. Wouldn't it serve them to continue their commitment, especially now that Rossi has gone?



Also, I take issue with Burgess saying Yamaha is screwed (indirectly) now that Rossi (and indirectly saying himself) is gone. This smacks a bit vindictive if not at very least mild spite. I'd even file it under mind game attempt. I've said this before, but my respect for Burgess as a person who I thought was beyond the ego dramas played out in GP were beyond him, but after his little digs at Stoner and his continued self-promotion of his abilities, is a bit smug to much.



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When is valentino ungagged? This sounds like mind games by proxy, although I guess he has got jerry involved in such things previously even when not gagged.
Its the exact thought I had.
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