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October 14th, 2010, 09:25 AM   #1
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Honda are super reliable. Yamaha, not far behind. Looks like having a couple of fresh faster engines may be an advantage for one of the factory "teammates". Ducati, in a bit of danger, though it may be more about crashing. Who said Suzuki isn't too bad? Geez, even with the extra engines, one might still be in trouble.



Engines, apart from all the other elements influencing results, look to have an impact on the racing in the final stages. Which I think had some bearing on the Pedro vs Lorenzo results a few rounds ago. Its about the mouse trap, but peeps never listen.



Honda riders, all in good shape

Rossi, engine wise in good shape, partly due to his 3 race absence.

Lorenzo, one fast engine left, so it may get tired, but at least he's already champ

Spies, never got upgraded faster engine, impressive, but still has one "slower" sealed engine.

Colin, all used engines, no upgrade

Stoner, down to last engine, crashing hasn't helped

Hayden, engine killer, all used, he's fucked

Satellite Ducatis, mixed bag, but who cares

Bautista, worse than Hayden, but given welfare spares, so in good shape

Capirossi, in fair shape given the extra engines
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Honda are super reliable. Yamaha, not far behind. Looks like having a couple of fresh faster engines may be an advantage for one of the factory "teammates". Ducati, in a bit of danger, though it may be more about crashing. Who said Suzuki isn't too bad? Geez, even with the extra engines, one might still be in trouble.



Engines, apart from all the other elements influencing results, look to have an impact on the racing in the final stages. Which I think had some bearing on the Pedro vs Lorenzo results a few rounds ago. Its about the mouse trap, but peeps never listen.



Honda riders, all in good shape

Rossi, engine wise in good shape, partly due to his 3 race absence.

Lorenzo, one fast engine left, so it may get tired, but at least he's already champ

Spies, never got upgraded faster engine, impressive, but still has one "slower" sealed engine.

Colin, all used engines, no upgrade

Stoner, down to last engine, crashing hasn't helped

Hayden, engine killer, all used, he's fucked

Satellite Ducatis, mixed bag, but who cares

Bautista, worse than Hayden, but given welfare spares, so in good shape

Capirossi, in fair shape given the extra engines
Would be nice to see Yamaha replace his last engine with the new, more powerful one. Even though it wouldnt transform the bike into a factory M1, it would be nice to see what he could accomplish this year with a little more acceleration.
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Would be nice to see Yamaha replace his last engine with the new, more powerful one. Even though it wouldnt transform the bike into a factory M1, it would be nice to see what he could accomplish this year with a little more acceleration.
Wont happen as it is already sealed and can't be swapped with another.
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Wont happen as it is already sealed and can't be swapped with another.
If thats the case, was Rossi's and Lorenzo's newer , stronger motors, part of the original six they were allocated.



I dont think that is how this system works
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Minus crashing...how does one engine last longer than another ? (i mean same manufacturer same type used by 2 riders in a team). Does it depend on the riding style?



Probably setting?
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Minus crashing...how does one engine last longer than another ? (i mean same manufacturer same type used by 2 riders in a team). Does it depend on the riding style?



Probably setting?
If your talking about the Ducati, my guess would be that Nicky historically puts in way more laps than Stoner in any given session leading up to the race.
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The engines available for the exclusive use of each rider must be marked and sealed by the Technical Director prior to first use. It is the Team’s obligation to register any new engine with the Technical Director prior to use. Once registered and used for the first time, engines may not be swapped between riders, even within the same team. A new engine is deemed to be used when the motorcycle with that engine crosses the transponder timing point at the pit lane exit.



If im reading this right, you can introduce a new engine [upgraded] for registration and it counts against your six. I dont believe they are handed 6 engines at the first of the year and they are sealed by Dorna and set on a shelf till they are needed. The engine is sealed after it is presented for competition, I think
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The engines available for the exclusive use of each rider must be marked and sealed by the Technical Director prior to first use. It is the Team’s obligation to register any new engine with the Technical Director prior to use. Once registered and used for the first time, engines may not be swapped between riders, even within the same team. A new engine is deemed to be used when the motorcycle with that engine crosses the transponder timing point at the pit lane exit.



If im reading this right, you can introduce a new engine [upgraded] for registration and it counts against your six. I dont believe they are handed 6 engines at the first of the year and they are sealed by Dorna and set on a shelf till they are needed. The engine is sealed after it is presented for competition, I think


More or less right. A team could turn up at Qatar, hand 20 engines to Mike Webb to be scrutineered, and he would apply the seals. Those engines would only be deducted from the allocation the moment they exit the pit lane for the first time. If that team used only 5 of the engines sealed during the season, and turned up at Valencia with a brand new engine, completely redesigned (e.g. Ducati turn up with an inline four), and present it for scrutineering, Mike Webb will happily put a seal on it. If they take it out of the pit lane, that engine becomes #6, their last engine. If that one blows up on the warmup lap of the race, and they have to go back into the pits to take another bike with a brand new engine (#7), then they will have to start from the pit lane.



In summary, the number of engines you have in the truck is irrelevant. They only become relevant when they exit pit lane during an Official Event (e.g. practice or a race during a race weekend). What's counted are the engines which have been ridden out of pit lane.
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More or less right. A team could turn up at Qatar, hand 20 engines to Mike Webb to be scrutineered, and he would apply the seals. Those engines would only be deducted from the allocation the moment they exit the pit lane for the first time. If that team used only 5 of the engines sealed during the season, and turned up at Valencia with a brand new engine, completely redesigned (e.g. Ducati turn up with an inline four), and present it for scrutineering, Mike Webb will happily put a seal on it. If they take it out of the pit lane, that engine becomes #6, their last engine. If that one blows up on the warmup lap of the race, and they have to go back into the pits to take another bike with a brand new engine (#7), then they will have to start from the pit lane.



In summary, the number of engines you have in the truck is irrelevant. They only become relevant when they exit pit lane during an Official Event (e.g. practice or a race during a race weekend). What's counted are the engines which have been ridden out of pit lane.
Thanks Krop. So Spies could use the new engine if Yamaha wanted to supply him with it. Back to your example, im assuming instead of using engine #7, they could use 1-5 as long as they had not been removed from competition
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Thanks Krop. So Spies could use the new engine if Yamaha wanted to supply him with it. Back to your example, im assuming instead of using engine #7, they could use 1-5 as long as they had not been removed from competition
exactly.
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