Rossi PISSED OFF!!!!

evo9 · August 30th, 2010, 09:00 AM

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"but 1000 engines, less electronics, f, the races were unbelievable".

The man is major pissed off with the electronics. Or in some eyes being a looser to hore hay.

http://superbikeplanet.com/2010/Aug/100830anpos.htm

http://motomatters.com/interview/201...boring_we.html

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L8Braker · August 30th, 2010, 09:49 AM

Rossi and many others have been saying this for a while now, I believe he is right. It's really hard to run away and hide when the rider has all the input into going fast. Rossi and a few other veterans of MotoGP would have an advantage if the electronics are turned off and the displacement increased, of course the same riders would still be at the pointy end, but the racing would be more exciting.

LittleEgg · August 30th, 2010, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by L8Braker

Rossi and many others have been saying this for a while now, I believe he is right. It's really hard to run away and hide when the rider has all the input into going fast. Rossi and a few other veterans of MotoGP would have an advantage if the electronics are turned off and the displacement increased, of course the same riders would still be at the pointy end, but the racing would be more exciting.

Years of "making changes for the sake of change"....

That and making it more accessible to rookies maybe? whatever the reasons may be, i agree. This year with the loss of competition for jorge, its glaringly obvious that the races need more excitement. Last season was all well and good, with two yams running well, but even then it was always yamaha.

These cut backs may bring the battles back, so i'm all for it.

mylexicon · August 30th, 2010, 10:14 AM

Who can disagree? Before the explosion of electronic systems, motorcycle racing had a risk/reward paradigm that generally encouraged close racing even if one rider was in dominant form. Imo, before electronics cost were lower as well b/c teams preferred to stay with what they knew. It was very unwise to depart from a proven engine configuration b/c machines have a certain capriciousness to them, and it was vital that a rider understood the bike and the engine. But with electronics, the systems can be used to modify behavior so fundamentally that constant experimentation is possible for mechanical systems and digital systems.

The spirit of human competition is being killed, and with it, the entertainment value and relevance to people. Imo, everything sacred about motorcycling is being killed as manufacturers move the industry in the direction of broadly-defined consumer trends (more features, more technology, higher costs, more brand equity/identity, more accessories and support services). It's unforgivable that the people who invented defined the motorcycle in the 20th century can't even remember why they built them in the first place.

Rossi is one of a select few riders who can be trusted as "the keeper of the flame".

LittleEgg · August 30th, 2010, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mylexicon

Who can disagree? Before the explosion of electronic systems, motorcycle racing had a risk/reward paradigm that generally encouraged close racing even if one rider was in dominant form. Imo, before electronics cost were lower as well b/c teams preferred to stay with what they knew. It was very unwise to depart from a proven engine configuration b/c machines have a certain capriciousness to them, and it was vital that a rider understood the bike and the engine. But with electronics, the systems can be used to modify behavior so fundamentally that constant experimentation is possible for mechanical systems and digital systems.

The spirit of human competition is being killed, and with it, the entertainment value and relevance to people. Imo, everything sacred about motorcycling is being killed as manufacturers move the industry in the direction of broadly-defined consumer trends (more features, more technology, higher costs, more brand equity/identity, more accessories and support services). It's unforgivable that the people who invented defined the motorcycle in the 20th century can't even remember why they built them in the first place.

Very nicely put.

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Originally Posted by mylexicon

Rossi is one of a select few riders who can be trusted as "the keeper of the flame".

Careful......^^

JohnnyKnockdown · August 30th, 2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

Very nicely put.

Of course you would think that. After all your just the English version of Lex

Talpa · August 30th, 2010, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

Very nicely put.

Careful......^^

BTW welcome mate.

Hopefully even the haters will agree here, although one or two bottom feeders surely won't, and we all know who I mean.......

ptk50 · August 30th, 2010, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Talpa

BTW welcome mate.

Hopefully even the haters will agree here, although one or two bottom feeders surely won't, and we all know who I mean.......

Please, please go back to the future - i love bike racing, but with the electronics it's becoming so booooooring

Mental Anarchist · August 31st, 2010, 04:17 AM

Electronic traction on a MotoGP bike is not something that started with the switch to 800's. Honda's first 990 was equipped with a rudimentary traction control system in comparison to todays electronics but it was still there. Ever since then and particularly since the capacity reduction in 2007 traction control has become more invasive, but you already knew that.

As much as we and the riders may want the removal of this non human control of the bike it is not something that can be done over night. There is a great deal of political manoeuvring to play out before this can take place. If you look past the detail of the new regulations for 2012 and look at the intent behind them you will see that Dorna and the FIM have a plan. This plan involves the enticement of additional manufacturers and real race teams with a make-up similar to that of Team Roberts a few years ago. I think they need 8 new bikes that don't exist at present before there is a shift in the balance of power and the governance of the sport can take back control. I also think that this will happen faster than we may think but not fast enough to keep us happy. The rules that make up the playing field for 2012 will be completely re- written for 2014. The MSMA will have nothing to do with the formulation of the 2014 rules package unlike the 2012 rules, as it will be handled by the governance of the sport as it should be rather than the participants.

I also feel that the political manoeuvring will not just be confined to MotoGP. For MotoGP to move to a dumbed down version of the current bikes the WSBK and all the national superbike series' will also need to be dumbed down.

Unfortunately, great screw ups can't be easily reversed. If they could then Iraq and Afghanistan would be over, capitalism would be a history lesson, the earth would be green and we would have been watching 990cc bikes race at a real race track rather than the debacle that we witnessed just a couple of days ago.

If you have been watching since the wheels were wooden then I am sure you will be still watching when things get good again. If you weren't then hang in there because this will be just a blip in the overall history of this great sport.

MdubSTYLIE · August 31st, 2010, 05:11 AM

I am not one to all out Vale, but he said this after falling how many times this weekend?

None the less he is right. Its just he choose to complain about it on a weekend his electronics obviously sucked ass.

He did well in the race to overcome the difficulty in true Rossi fashion.

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August 30th, 2010, 09:49 AM	#2
L8Braker Senior Member Joined: Oct 2006 From: Tar Heel State Posts: 2,525 Likes: 34	Rossi and many others have been saying this for a while now, I believe he is right. It's really hard to run away and hide when the rider has all the input into going fast. Rossi and a few other veterans of MotoGP would have an advantage if the electronics are turned off and the displacement increased, of course the same riders would still be at the pointy end, but the racing would be more exciting.

August 30th, 2010, 10:14 AM	#4
mylexicon Senior Member Joined: Mar 2007 From: Texas Posts: 6,833 Likes: 76	Who can disagree? Before the explosion of electronic systems, motorcycle racing had a risk/reward paradigm that generally encouraged close racing even if one rider was in dominant form. Imo, before electronics cost were lower as well b/c teams preferred to stay with what they knew. It was very unwise to depart from a proven engine configuration b/c machines have a certain capriciousness to them, and it was vital that a rider understood the bike and the engine. But with electronics, the systems can be used to modify behavior so fundamentally that constant experimentation is possible for mechanical systems and digital systems. The spirit of human competition is being killed, and with it, the entertainment value and relevance to people. Imo, everything sacred about motorcycling is being killed as manufacturers move the industry in the direction of broadly-defined consumer trends (more features, more technology, higher costs, more brand equity/identity, more accessories and support services). It's unforgivable that the people who invented defined the motorcycle in the 20th century can't even remember why they built them in the first place. Rossi is one of a select few riders who can be trusted as "the keeper of the flame".

August 31st, 2010, 04:17 AM	#9
Mental Anarchist Senior Member Joined: Aug 2010 From: Earth Posts: 1,631 Likes: 19	Electronic traction on a MotoGP bike is not something that started with the switch to 800's. Honda's first 990 was equipped with a rudimentary traction control system in comparison to todays electronics but it was still there. Ever since then and particularly since the capacity reduction in 2007 traction control has become more invasive, but you already knew that. As much as we and the riders may want the removal of this non human control of the bike it is not something that can be done over night. There is a great deal of political manoeuvring to play out before this can take place. If you look past the detail of the new regulations for 2012 and look at the intent behind them you will see that Dorna and the FIM have a plan. This plan involves the enticement of additional manufacturers and real race teams with a make-up similar to that of Team Roberts a few years ago. I think they need 8 new bikes that don't exist at present before there is a shift in the balance of power and the governance of the sport can take back control. I also think that this will happen faster than we may think but not fast enough to keep us happy. The rules that make up the playing field for 2012 will be completely re- written for 2014. The MSMA will have nothing to do with the formulation of the 2014 rules package unlike the 2012 rules, as it will be handled by the governance of the sport as it should be rather than the participants. I also feel that the political manoeuvring will not just be confined to MotoGP. For MotoGP to move to a dumbed down version of the current bikes the WSBK and all the national superbike series' will also need to be dumbed down. Unfortunately, great screw ups can't be easily reversed. If they could then Iraq and Afghanistan would be over, capitalism would be a history lesson, the earth would be green and we would have been watching 990cc bikes race at a real race track rather than the debacle that we witnessed just a couple of days ago. If you have been watching since the wheels were wooden then I am sure you will be still watching when things get good again. If you weren't then hang in there because this will be just a blip in the overall history of this great sport.

August 31st, 2010, 05:11 AM	#10
MdubSTYLIE Senior Member Joined: May 2009 From: Shovel's Club Posts: 4,881 Likes: 1686 I Ride: your mom	I am not one to all out Vale, but he said this after falling how many times this weekend? None the less he is right. Its just he choose to complain about it on a weekend his electronics obviously sucked ass. He did well in the race to overcome the difficulty in true Rossi fashion.