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January 30th, 2010, 06:04 AM   #51
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 30 2010, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No no, i'm not playing games. Simply from a design perspective the tyres are the absolute limiting factor. Every aspect of design relies on the tyres that will be used as that is the only interaction between the vehicle and the surface, all the dynamics depend on the forces the tyres can transmit.
I agree. Much of Ducati's success came from engineering the Desmo around the 'stones; much of Suzuki's failure came from stubbornly trying to match a tyre to the bike.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Jan 26 2010, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thing is kids different tyres/compounds suit different bikes, and even different set-ups (after-market fork springs or rear shock - even engine mods which affect power delivery). GSfan cannot be called out for finding a particular brand/compound which suits his unique ride and riding style and saying it gives better feel than his previous rubber... Tal-man your puffin' wind out yer corn-hole!!!

He didn't mention that, it was something like, the 016's out-perform the other tyres in every way......even though I had mentioned rubber like, The Power One Race compounds (DOT approved for the Road) Dragon Supercorsas and similar compound Dunlop Rubber........

So your saying that, much harder, single compound BS 016's will outperform the worlds best race compound rubber available to the public for road use just because they suit the bike?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jan 30 2010, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree. Much of Ducati's success came from engineering the Desmo around the 'stones; much of Suzuki's failure came from stubbornly trying to match a tyre to the bike.

Succinct and accurate beyond argument.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Jan 30 2010, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He didn't mention that, it was something like, the 016's out-perform the other tyres in every way......even though I had mentioned rubber like, The Power One Race compounds (DOT approved for the Road) Dragon Supercorsas and similar compound Dunlop Rubber........

So your saying that, much harder, single compound BS 016's will outperform the worlds best race compound rubber available to the public for road use just because they suit the bike?

MickD is right. Tire choice is subjective so it is always going to be an opinion war and you will hate what I like because your bike is different. You have to very careful choosing tires and a track tire on the street may sound awesome but it will suck most of the time. You just won't get the heat in them that they need. Most of all your riding will be straight up. BTW in Canada BT016 come in multi-compound 3 band fronts and 5 band rears. I need soft tires because it doesn't really get super warm here for very long and I'm riding in low to mid twenty C. Most times lower. Track tires would be dangerous and not fun. My street tires would likely suck on the track. Too many variables.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jan 31 2010, 02:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>MickD is right. Tire choice is subjective so it is always going to be an opinion war and you will hate what I like because your bike is different. You have to very careful choosing tires and a track tire on the street may sound awesome but it will suck most of the time. You just won't get the heat in them that they need. Most of all your riding will be straight up. BTW in Canada BT016 come in multi-compound 3 band fronts and 5 band rears. I need soft tires because it doesn't really get super warm here for very long and I'm riding in low to mid twenty C. Most times lower. Track tires would be dangerous and not fun. My street tires would likely suck on the track. Too many variables.

Believe it or not but some track tires are excellent street tires. I use free/cheep used race tires, doing 10-15k each summer consuming 4-5 sets of used race tires. They are plenty good for some relaxed track days as well, as long as they are not pushed to the max. The rubber is soft and even if they are far from optimum grip they still are on par or better than sport touring tires. There is also lots of other positives. If a tire that gets squared off too much it's just swapped with a "new" one. Always round nice tires with plenty of rubber where you wear the tires on the street.

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