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January 10th, 2010, 01:44 AM   #11
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Jan 10 2010, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The new engine rule has significant potential to make a decisive mark on the championship. It would be disappointing to see the machine as such an important variable.

Any of the riders could be in the lead, then their engine could go 'bang'.

Are you denying that this rule has the potential to play a major part in the championship?


Yet another "off track" consideration to come into play and I hate to say it but Rossi is the master of the off track politics and with JB at his side this is a walk up start for them in 2010
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Jan 10 2010, 05:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you denying that this rule has the potential to play a major part in the championship?
No. I think it is a bloody stupid rule and I fear that it will be used to justify loosing the championship at the end of the year and therefore devalue whoever wins the Championship.
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Do engines in the spare bike count in the 6 allocated?

How long is a 'race'? (is it defined by the number of laps or kilometers the engine run?)
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jan 11 2010, 09:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No. I think it is a bloody stupid rule and I fear that it will be used to justify loosing the championship at the end of the year and therefore devalue whoever wins the Championship.
Ah okay. I must agree with you, then!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mumu37 @ Jan 11 2010, 02:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Do engines in the spare bike count in the 6 allocated?

How long is a 'race'? (is it defined by the number of laps or kilometers the engine run?)

6 engines period
may that be in the #1 bike or the #2 bikes its 6
not sure if these rules have been tweaked but this is what motogp2010 runs under now.
if i remember the penalty for using more than 6 is the rider starts last on the grid and the team lose -10 points in the team championship

For 2010

1. Only one machine can be used during each MotoGP event.
2. A rider can use a maximum of 6 engines for the entire Championship.
3. A new event schedule will be announced.
4. Carbon composite front brake discs must be of one diameter only and two types of mass. The diameter will be 320mm only.
5. The maximum fuel injection pressure is 10 Bar.
6. MMC (Metal Matrix Composite) & FRM (Fiber Matrix Material) shall not be permitted.
7. Temperature sensor for the tyre will not be permitted.
8. From 2010 to 2012, the rim width shall be limited to 2 sizes for front and 1 size for rear for each manufacturer. Wheels diameter shall be limited to 16.5 inches only.
9. Variable exhaust system shall not be permitted.
10. Variable Valve Timing system and Variable Valve Lift system powered by electric and/or liquid, shall not be permitted.
11. Connecting rod shall not be a hollow structure but less than 2mm oil pass tunnel is permitted.
12. Twin clutch system (known as DSG) shall not be permitted.
13. Automatic transmission shall not be permitted. But manual transmission assisted by small force shall be permitted.
14. Consecutive Variable Transmission shall not be permitted.
15. Only DORNA can supply GPS unit just for entertainments such as TV broadcasting, which can’t connect to CPU unit by any kind of system.
16. Electric/electronic steering damper system shall not be permitted.
17. Minimum weight of motorcycle shall be the existing one + 2 kg. (ex: 150 kg for 4 cylinders).
18. Only 5 persons can work on the machine in the pits.
19. Riders who enter the Championship for the first time (Rookies) must be entered by a non factory Team.

Edit: latest Rules. http://motogpinfo.motogp.com/2009/fi...sion_dec09.pdf

upto date bollocks.



units may be connected to the harness, and connection of the components
listed in Art. 2.3.6. 8 and 2.3.6.10 is mandatory.

Datalogger
20) Only the standard Moto2 Datalogger system (including hardware, sensors
and software) approved by the Championship Organiser is allowed to be
used at official Moto2 race and test events.

21) The Technical Director may inspect and access the datalogger system at
any time, including the reading and downloading of data. Team data, with
the exception of engine performance data, will be treated as confidential.
The Technical Director may require the team to change the datalogger for
another identical standard one at any time.

22) The Moto2 Datalogger will be supplied with a standard sensor package.
There are additional logger channels available for optional sensors. No other
sensors are permitted on the machine at official Moto2 events. Refer to
Table 1 in the Appendix.

2.3.7 Engine Durability
1.) In the MotoGP class the number of engines available for use by each rider is
limited. For the 2010 season a maximum of 6 engines may be used by each
permanent contracted rider for all the scheduled races of the season. that is
from and including the Czech Grand Prix until the end of the season. Should a
rider be replaced for any reason, the replacement rider will be deemed to be
the original rider for purposes of engine allocation.
Each manufacturer is allowed 2 additional engines for the exclusive use of
Wild Card riders only.
2.) The engines available for the exclusive use of each rider must be marked
and sealed by the Technical Director prior to first use. It is the Team’s
obligation to register any new engine with the Technical Director prior to use.
Once registered and used for the first time, engines may not be swapped
between riders, even within the same team. A new engine is deemed to be
used when the motorcycle with that engine crosses the transponder timing
point at the pitlane exit.
3.) The engines will be sealed by means of wiring and identification tabs, so
that:
a. the timing system is not accessible (e.g. the head cover must be wired
to the cylinder head),
b. the timing driving system is not accessible (e.g. the geartrain/chain
cover is wired so that it cannot be removed),
c. the cylinder head and the cylinders block (if any) cannot be removed
from the engine (e.g. the cylinder head is wired to the cylinders block
and the cylinders block is wired to the engine crankcase),
d. the crankcase cannot be opened (e.g. the crankcase halves are wired
together).
All the parts that are accessible without removing the sealing wiring can be
replaced. Breaking or removing the sealing or wiring without supervision by the
Technical Director will be deemed to be “engine rebuilding” and engines with
broken, tampered with or missing security seals will be treated as a new
engine in the allocation.


4.) Should a competitor, for any reason (e.g. mechanical failure, crash major
damage, etc.) require the use of another engine above their allocation, the
Technical Director must be informed before the new engine is used, and Race
Direction will apply the appropriate penalty according to the Sporting
Regulations.
The damaged engine will be removed from the allocation and if it is used again,
it will be treated as a new engine with the appropriate penalty.
5.) There is no limit to the number of times a sealed, allocated engine can be
fitted to and used in a motorcycle, provided the security seal is not broken or
removed. Replacing an engine with another sealed engine (new or used) from
the rider’s allocation is allowed with no penalty.
6.) To prevent the running of a used, allocated engine outside of MotoGP
events, all allocated engines will have security seals placed over either exhaust
or inlet ports (on at least one cylinder bank, in the case of V-type engines)
before leaving the circuit. Teams wishing to re-use such an allocated and
sealed engine must request the Technical Director to remove the security seals.
If the Technical Director or his staff finds that the security seals are not intact,
the engine will be deemed to be a new engine in the allocation, with the
appropriate penalty.

2.3.8 Control Systems
2.3.8.1 In the MotoGP class, the use of hydraulic and/or pneumatic pressurized
powered systems is not allowed, with the exception of cylinder
inlet/exhaust valve springs. All hydraulic systems on the motorcycle must be
powered only by the rider’s manual inputs.
Normal hydraulic hand/foot controls such as master/slave cylinders for
brakes/clutch are allowed. Pneumatic engine valve actuating systems are
allowed. Oil/water pumps for engine lubricating/cooling are allowed.
The use of engine lubricating oil for any purpose other than lubrication and
cooling (such as powered hydraulic systems) is not allowed.
In the case of a new manufacturer who has never participated in the MotoGP
class prior to 1.1.2010, this regulation will apply only from 1.1.2011.

2.3.8.2 In the MotoGP class, variable valve timing and variable valve lift systems,
driven by hydraulic and/or electric/electronic systems are not permitted.

2.3.9 Fuel System
2.3.9.1 In the MotoGP class the maximum permitted fuel pressure is 10 Bar.

2.3.9.2 Moto2 class fuel system
1) Use of the fuel system (as described in Article 2.3.6.8. a)) from the
official Supplier is mandatory, and it must remain standard, as delivered by
the official Supplier. The only modifications permitted are those specifically
described in these regulations. The Technical Director may require the team
to exchange any parts of the fuel system for another standard part, at any
time.
2) Fuel Pump: The fuel tank gauge assembly (ie. float, arm and support
bracket) of the standard fuel pump may be removed.
3) Fuel Tank: Design and construction of the fuel tank is free, within the
constraints of the FIM Grand Prix Regulations, Art. 2.6. There are no
capacity restrictions.
4) Fuel Delivery Hoses: Fuel delivery hose fittings must remain standard,
as supplied. However it is permitted to fit quick -connectors (eg. “dry-
break” connectors) in the fuel lines.


5) Airbox: Only the standard airbox supplied by the official Supplier
(including air filter and secondary injectors) may be used. No modifications,
alterations or additions to this airbox are allowed, except as described in
Art. 2.3.9.2. 6)
6) To ensure correct performance the official Supplier does not recommend
any change to the airbox. However at the risk of the team, the following
changes are allowed:
a) The intake ducts, ahead of the air filter, may be changed to suit
individual chassis designs.
[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif[/img] The resonance chambers on top of the airbox lid may be removed,
either together with the top cover they are attached to, or the top cover
may be left in place. They may be replaced by a blanking cover
approximately flat in shape. The total airbox volume, from the filter back,
may not be increased from the original. Refer to Diagram 4 in the Appendix.
If such a blanking cover is fitted, the original air temperature sensor must
be fitted on this cover in a position equivalent to the original position, and
may not be horizontally closer to the secondary injectors than the original
position. Refer to Diagram 5 in the Appendix.

2.4 Gears Transmission
2.4.1 There must be A maximum of six gear ratios is permitted.
2.4.2 Twin clutch transmission systems (DSG) are not permitted.
2.4.3 Continuously Variable Transmission systems (CVT) are not permitted.
2.4.4 Automatic transmission systems are not permitted. Manual
transmissions with gearshifts assisted by quick-shifter systems are
permitted.
2.4.5 Moto2 class Clutch
1) A racing slipper clutch (back-torque-limiter) and clutch cover will be
supplied to each rider. Only this clutch and cover may be used, without
modification, and it’s use is mandatory at all official Moto2 events.
2) It is the team’s responsibility to fit, adjust and maintain all parts of the
clutch. Engines returned for maintenance, repair or replacement will
have the racing clutch removed, and the team retains their own clutch for
use with subsequent engines.

2.5 Weights

2.5.1 The following are the minimum weights permitted:

125cc

motorcycle + rider 136 kg




250cc
1 cylinder
motorcycle 100 kg

2 cylinders
motorcycle
100 kg
Moto2

motorcycle 135 kg
MotoGP
2 cylinders or less
motorcycle
135 kg

3 cylinders
motorcycle
142,5 kg

4 cylinders
motorcycle
150 kg

5 cylinders
motorcycle
157,5 kg

6 cylinders or more
motorcycle
165 kg


2.7 Safety and Construction Criteria
Note: Please also refer to diagrams 1, 2 and 3.

Chassis Design and Construction
In the Moto2 class, the chassis must be a prototype, the design and
construction of which is free within the constraints of the FIM Grand Prix
Technical Regulations. The main frame, swingarm, fuel tank, seat and
fairing/bodywork from a non-prototype (ie. series production road-
homologated) motorcycle may not be used.

2.7.3
Brakes
2.7.3.1 Motorcycles must have a minimum of one brake on each wheel that is
independently operated.
2.7.3.2 In the 125cc and 250cc Moto2 classes, only brake discs of ferrous materials are
allowed.
2.7.3.3 In the MotoGP class, carbon brake discs may be a maximum diameter of
320mm. From 1.1.2011 onwards carbon brake discs will be allowed with only
320mm diameter, and only 2 standard choices of disc mass. Carbon brakes will
be permitted in MotoGP at least until the end of the 2012 season.
2.7.3.4 In all classes, ceramic composite materials are not permitted for brake
discs or brake pads.
Ceramic materials are defined as inorganic, non metallic solids (e.g. Al


2.7.4 Exhausts
2.7.4.3 Variable length exhaust systems are not permitted.
2.7.4.4 Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) systems are not permitted.

2.7.4.5 Moto2 class exhaust:
1) The design and construction of the exhaust system is free provided it
conforms to the FIM Grand Prix regulations, and respects the engine
Supplier’s specified layout (ie. 4 into 2 into 1). There are recommended
dimensions from the engine Supplier. Refer to Diagram 6 in the Appendix.
2) The Linear Air-Fuel sensor (LAF, or Lambda) will be located 120mm after
the final 2 into 1 junction of the exhaust, with a tolerance of 20mm
(minimum 100mm, maximum 140mm after the 2 into 1 junction). Refer to
Diagram 6 in the Appendix.

2.7.9 Breather Pipes
Any breather pipe from the engine or gearbox must discharge into the airbox
and/or a suitable container. with a minimum capacity of 200cc and a maximum
of 250cc. There must be a separate container for each breather pipe.

2.7.10 Materials
The use of titanium in the construction of the frame, the front forks, the
handle-bars, the swinging arm spindles, and the wheel spindles is forbidden. For
wheel spindles, the use of light alloys is also forbidden.
The basic structure of the crankshaft and camshafts must be made from steel or
cast iron. Pistons, cylinder heads and cylinder blocks may not be composite
structures which use carbon or aramid fibre reinforcing materials.


Brake callipers calipers must be made from aluminium materials with a modulus
of elasticity no greater than 80 Gpa.

No parts of the motorcycle or engine may be made from metallic materials
which have a specific modulus of elasticity greater than 50 Gpa / (g/cm3).

The use of MMC (Metal Matrix Composite) and FRM (Fibre Reinforced Metal)
materials is forbidden.

In the MotoGP class, hollow structure connecting rods are not permitted. Oil
galleries of less than 2mm diameter in the connecting rod are permitted.

2.7.12 Suspension and Dampers
Electric/electronic controlled suspension, ride height and steering damper
systems are not allowed. Adjustments to the suspension and steering
damper systems may only be made by manual human inputs and
mechanical/hydraulic adjusters.

2.7.13 Tyre temperature sensors are not permitted.
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they should have made it 9 engines instead of 6 for this season & then 6 for 2011. a little easier to be weened of the engine glut. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img] besides this is easy to get around "IF" the teams stick together. all they have to do is when the 1st penalty is handed out for premature engine replacment is for everybody to replace their engines. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Jan 10 2010, 07:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The new engine rule has significant potential to make a decisive mark on the championship. It would be disappointing to see the machine as such an important variable.

If you really feel like this you are probably watching the wrong sport. Motorsports is inherently dependant on machinary, but bike racing is in a good position as the rider remains the most significant single influence on results.
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Shouldn't all the riders beable to ride as fast as they possibly can without worrying about wrecking an engine? The new rule will remove the riders ability to ride at their optimum which in my eyes, is not what the sport is about.

Seriously bad move from Dorna. If saving costs is what its all about, they should be sticking with 800's and not changing it in a couple of years time, costing all the manufacturers even more money.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (spooky @ Jan 12 2010, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Shouldn't all the riders beable to ride as fast as they possibly can without worrying about wrecking an engine? The new rule will remove the riders ability to ride at their optimum which in my eyes, is not what the sport is about.

I don't see why mechanical sympathy shouldn't be a valuable asset to a rider, it has been in throughout the past. Are you similarly unhappy about tyre management being a factor?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jan 12 2010, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't see why mechanical sympathy shouldn't be a valuable asset to a rider, it has been in throughout the past. Are you similarly unhappy about tyre management being a factor?


Tyre management cannot be compared to engine management, all riders are using Bridgestone tyres, noone gets specials or anything like that so theoretically there are no variables. The only way it could work for engines is for every team to be using a spec engine, ala moto 2, which defeats the purpose of the series in the 1st place.

Will see riders who have the ability to ride at the top struggling to get a top 10 just so they can preserve their engine?
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