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August 22nd, 2009, 10:15 AM   #11
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Aug 22 2009, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Too bad but 4 years at this level is enough if you don't produce. I'm looking forward to the Bautista era.
it sounds like i am bigging CV up but i just want to dispel the myths...

KRJr's stats on the suzuki GSV-R (seeing as CV was not around for the RGV days)

Year Class Bike Team Race Win Pod Pole FLap Pts Plcd WC
2002 MotoGP Suzuki GSV-R Suzuki MotoGP 15 0 1 0 0 99 9th 0
2003 MotoGP Suzuki GSV-R Suzuki MotoGP 13 0 0 0 0 22 19th 0
2004 MotoGP Suzuki GSV-R Suzuki MotoGP 12 0 0 1 0 37 18th 0
2005 MotoGP Suzuki GSV-R Suzuki MotoGP 14 0 1 0 0 63 13th 0

so, in all 4 seasons on a GSV-R KRJr (a former WC) placed no higher than 9th, with only 2 podiums and no poles or fastest race laps.

Hoppers Stats (not yet Basspete, not yet!)
Year Class Bike Race Win Pod Pole FLap Pts Plcd WC
2003 MotoGP Suzuki GSV-R 14 0 0 0 0 29 17th -
2004 MotoGP Suzuki GSV-R 15 0 0 0 0 45 16th -
2005 MotoGP Suzuki GSV-R 17 0 0 0 0 63 14th -
2006 MotoGP Suzuki GSV-R 17 0 0 1 0 116 10th -
2007 MotoGP Suzuki GSV-R 18 0 4 0 2 189 4th -

Hopper gets a bit better, with 4 podiums and 2 fastest laps, all in 2007, finishing in 4th spot. thats still less than one podium per year for a 5yr stint!

CV Stats

Year Class Bike Team Race Win Pod Pole FLap Pts Plcd WC
2006 MotoGP Suzuki GSV-R Suzuki MotoGP 17 0 1 2 0 98 11th -
2007 MotoGP Suzuki GSV-R Suzuki MotoGP 18 1 4 1 1 179 6th -
2008 MotoGP Suzuki GSV-R Suzuki MotoGP 18 0 2 0 0 128 8th -

lets see. 7 podiums, one of which is a win, 3 poles and one fastest lap so far with some more of 2009 to go with some tracks tht suit CV still to come. thats a pretty strong argument to say that he is suzukis most successful MotoGP rider (in the 4-stroke era).

and people still say he has not performed. compared to his team mates, i would say that he has held his own, beating Loris last year and only a handful of points and one place behind him so far this season.
that being said, i also look forward to what the Bautista era will bring and yes, CV is going to be better off in another team/series.
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It's hard to just look at the stats though. Kjr had a horrible bike. One year the only difference was that the head was ported. It was loaded with electronics and had a very underpowered undeveloped motor. Hopper jumped on a crapper also. But by the time CV joined the bike had pneumatic valves and handled pretty well compared to the truck that Kjr had to deal with. The first 800 was decent and Kjr probably would have hit the podium quite often on it. CV was 6th and Hopper 4th so they were in a good place. The point is that sure CV had better results than Kjr but he also had a very much better machine.

The last couple of years he hasn't had the best machine but in no way is it as bad as it looks. Setup and development is all directed from the rider on a factory machine. The factory has blame for not taking the series seriously but the development rider shares some also. In his case for whatever reason the bike didn't progress. The factory isn't going anywhere so the rider does.

Bautista is a different animal. Schooled in the lower classes on the same tracks. That is a huge advantage. So is coming from a team like Asper's and he will expect a race winner every race. From the spy photos and notes about Suzuki's secretive Bruno test I think they have made a big step so hopefully he'll be happy with the new ride. Either way it was CV that decided not to enter into negotiations with Suzuki to continue not the other way around. I hope he stays in the series because he can ride at this level but I don't think he is aggressive enough personally to challenge for the championship.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Aug 22 2009, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's hard to just look at the stats though. Kjr had a horrible bike. One year the only difference was that the head was ported. It was loaded with electronics and had a very underpowered undeveloped motor. Hopper jumped on a crapper also. But by the time CV joined the bike had pneumatic valves and handled pretty well compared to the truck that Kjr had to deal with. The first 800 was decent and Kjr probably would have hit the podium quite often on it. CV was 6th and Hopper 4th so they were in a good place. The point is that sure CV had better results than Kjr but he also had a very much better machine.

The last couple of years he hasn't had the best machine but in no way is it as bad as it looks. Setup and development is all directed from the rider on a factory machine. The factory has blame for not taking the series seriously but the development rider shares some also. In his case for whatever reason the bike didn't progress. The factory isn't going anywhere so the rider does.

Bautista is a different animal. Schooled in the lower classes on the same tracks. That is a huge advantage. So is coming from a team like Asper's and he will expect a race winner every race. From the spy photos and notes about Suzuki's secretive Bruno test I think they have made a big step so hopefully he'll be happy with the new ride. Either way it was CV that decided not to enter into negotiations with Suzuki to continue not the other way around. I hope he stays in the series because he can ride at this level but I don't think he is aggressive enough personally to challenge for the championship.
cant argue with that, it does seem that he needs a bit more "grrrrrrr!"

as to the big step in brno, i will believe it when the results start improving drastically.


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[quote name='gsfan' date='Aug 22 2009, 09:50 PM' post='206074'

Bautista is a different animal. Schooled in the lower classes on the same tracks. That is a huge advantage. So is coming from a team like Asper's and he will expect a race winner every race. From the spy photos and notes about Suzuki's secretive Bruno test I think they have made a big step so hopefully he'll be happy with the new ride. Either way it was CV that decided not to enter into negotiations with Suzuki to continue not the other way around. I hope he stays in the series because he can ride at this level but I don't think he is aggressive enough personally to challenge for the championship.
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He needs to take some advice from Hopper over how to stand up wheelie the zook without falling flat on his takhole, because that's the only adulation he'll be getting next year.
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CV to kawasaki, his only chance for a title in motogp
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (narstynarnst @ Aug 24 2009, 01:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>CV to kawasaki, his only chance for a title in motogp

so all the odds are against him [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]

We will see him on a M1 [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif[/img]
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Aug 22 2009, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>[quote name='gsfan' date='Aug 22 2009, 09:50 PM' post='206074'

Bautista is a different animal. Schooled in the lower classes on the same tracks. That is a huge advantage. So is coming from a team like Asper's and he will expect a race winner every race. From the spy photos and notes about Suzuki's secretive Bruno test I think they have made a big step so hopefully he'll be happy with the new ride. Either way it was CV that decided not to enter into negotiations with Suzuki to continue not the other way around. I hope he stays in the series because he can ride at this level but I don't think he is aggressive enough personally to challenge for the championship.


He needs to take some advice from Hopper over how to stand up wheelie the zook without falling flat on his takhole, because that's the only adulation he'll be getting next year.


Not his finest moment for sure. Bloody 2 strokes almost killed an up and coming world champ...
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