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June 1st, 2015, 05:11 PM   #1
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Last U.S.A. hope......?

1. Nicky Hayden.....*
2. Colin Edwards....
3. Ben Spies....

How come none of these guys had the success like there fellow countryman of old ?

(* 2006 )
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First, Americans don't care about motorcycle racing. Therefore, few kids grow up thinking they want to race in MotoGP, SBK or any other series.

Second, Americans don't care about motorcycle racing so there's no real support series to develop talent.

Third, Americans don't care about motorcycle racing so the tracks are all in a state of disrepair and largely less safe than those around the world.

Fourth, Americans don't care about motorcycle racing so nobody wants to spend money on any of the things I've mentioned.

Fifth, Americans don't care about motorcycle racing so neither do would be sponsors here.

All that being said, I don't care if there's an American in the series. It means nothing to me. I like the racing regardless of the nationalities present. We have an absolute plethora of sporting options here. It's fine with me if this one remains largely ignored. I don't like the idea of going to Austin and wading through 100,000 people. I like the laid back nature of the racing culture here.

Of the three you mentioned above, I think Spies had the best shot and doing something special. I'm still confused about why he was so bad. He retired and I stopped thinking about him. Not to mention, I loudly cheered against him the year he beat my man Haga so I was never a Speez guy in the first place. Nicky suffered badly when the RCV was miniaturized and was once again fairly unfortunate to ride the Ducati at a time when it was a terrible bike. I won't be terribly upset when he's gone either. He should have taken the Ducati SBK offer but instead elected to remain in GP in far inferior equipment.

Finally, like I said, I enjoy the racing culture here. Stoner mentioned it in his book. American fans are not nationalistic in their rider choices. Most of us enjoy the sport organically and take the riders as they come. Several MotoGP riders have made reference to that. We don't cheer when someone crashes (except Jumkie who always cheers when Dani crashes). We don't boo the participants. I'm happy with the status quo.
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plus - NASCAR has taken over america. i guarantee when i walk around wearing my 46 sweatshirt that people think i'm rooting for some toothless hick in NASCAR going around in a circle.
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Lingering inability of AMA Pro (MotoAmerica) to captivate TV audiences and attract manufacturer/sponsor interest. Even when AMA was "popular", it was actually just an infommerical the manufacturers paid to put on television. US racing hasn't been a sustainable business for a long time, hence AMA selling off the commercial rights and sanctioning to virtually all of their motorsport properties.

Without professional motorsport, American riders have no chance.
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Americans do care about motorcycle racing... the problem the last decade or so has been the AMA road racing program, not only the pro classes but the feeder series as well. there has been little if any support, poor marketing strategies, and they fucked over a lot of people and a lot of tracks. their most marketable class the last few seasons has been the XR1200 (Harley Davidson). the regional series have been good, CMRA and WERA, and are still very popular, but with out a quality national series, there is really nowhere to go.

things are different this year with Moto America, and its support classes, there is finally a viable next step for young riders to move to from out of their regions. take for example the KTM class, I had a number of customers run in that race last week. things are changing, its going to take a few seasons before we start to see riders move moto3 and moto2, but its going to happen.
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Americans do care about motorcycle racing... the problem the last decade or so has been the AMA road racing program, not only the pro classes but the feeder series as well. there has been little if any support, poor marketing strategies, and they fucked over a lot of people and a lot of tracks. their most marketable class the last few seasons has been the XR1200 (Harley Davidson). the regional series have been good, CMRA and WERA, and are still very popular, but with out a quality national series, there is really nowhere to go.

things are different this year with Moto America, and its support classes, there is finally a viable next step for young riders to move to from out of their regions. take for example the KTM class, I had a number of customers run in that race last week. things are changing, its going to take a few seasons before we start to see riders move moto3 and moto2, but its going to happen.
If the decay we've witnessed in US motorcycle racing over the last decade happened in Spain or Italy do you suppose someone would have stepped in to stop it? I think so. Yet nobody here really made waves to revive the sport. No sponsors came running, no 30 for 30 ESPN stories were written....nothing. It just basically vanished. I don't truly believe there's American support for what happens effortlessly in Europe. Too many TV options are already available and viable.
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I've enjoyed every race in the US I've attended ( Laguna, Austin, Daytona ). Met loads of very knowledge people. Made a lot of good friends....but I do agree with Levi. Motorcycle racing off all sorts ( Motorsport in general ) is ingrained in European culture and I could not imagine the sort of decline happening.
I really like the fact you can be at a motogp round and wander around without too much effort. Go to Brno and there's 145,000 on race day ( great place to go watch a race though )
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plus - NASCAR has taken over america. i guarantee when i walk around wearing my 46 sweatshirt that people think i'm rooting for some toothless hick in NASCAR going around in a circle.
I actually watched a bit of the Indy500 when I was over in St Louis...I mean those chaps are not hanging around but after the first 20 laps I lost a bit of interest...

But I imagine being there may well be different....noise, atmosphere, 500,000 hicks

What's the difference between a hick and a red neck ??? Is that a stupid question ?
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If the decay we've witnessed in US motorcycle racing over the last decade happened in Spain or Italy do you suppose someone would have stepped in to stop it? I think so. Yet nobody here really made waves to revive the sport. No sponsors came running, no 30 for 30 ESPN stories were written....nothing. It just basically vanished. I don't truly believe there's American support for what happens effortlessly in Europe. Too many TV options are already available and viable.
you have to remember that the AMA for the most part is an amateur class, the premiere class or motorcycle racing in the US is MotoGP, up until last year there were 3 motogp races in the US, thats more then half a season in the last ama season
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I actually watched a bit of the Indy500 when I was over in St Louis...I mean those chaps are not hanging around but after the first 20 laps I lost a bit of interest...

But I imagine being there may well be different....noise, atmosphere, 500,000 hicks

What's the difference between a hick and a red neck ??? Is that a stupid question ?
good question...maybe they are the same? hicks i think are upperclass rednecks?

i wish someone was redneck enough to clarify this...
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