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p4p1 June 20th, 2021 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by michaelm (Post 466215)
Same for me. I am pleasantly surprised at how he looks his year, and am hopeful for the future given his consistency, apparent ability to push things without crashing and overtaking prowess, particularly as a large lad by gp bike racing standards, which should be less of a factor in the premier class. Coming through as he has (there was talk he was offered a premier class ride earlier in his career) is probably a good thing as well, as opposed to the likes of Lecuona who might be one and done after being tossed straight into the premier class much younger.

Perhaps his earlier unimpressiveness was at least partly equipment or team related, I don't think Dad Wayne was convinced some of the earlier choices made by him and his manager were necessarily the best ones going by an interview I saw.

Interesting. I always figured that his dad had final say more or less/would be the confidant whom Remy would make his decisions with. But perhaps Wayne was happy to let Remy make his own decisions/mistakes which would also not surprise me either as he does come across as the kind of guy who will let you make your own mistakes believing that's a better way to learn than just being told not to.
Not to mention a lot of father son relationships can fall apart when the father is playing the managerial role as well which is something both of them may not have wanted to chance either.

33 Coupe June 21st, 2021 01:08 AM

I too, was unconvinced of Remy's talent earlier on. But, last year i thought he started to show something on the bike and seemed to mature quite a bit. He was getting reasonable results, better than the bike should be capable of, and kept his head down and focused on the job. Other teams took note, he ended up on a good team and now he is really making the most of the opportunity. Can't wait to see him on the big boy bikes next year.

On another note, Oli Baylis, WOW. Won his first race in the Aussie Superbike championship yesterday. Man, for someone so young (17), I am really impressed how he can jump on a superbike and ring its neck the way he does. There wouldn't be too many his age that can jump on a Ducati Panigale and ride the way he did, powersliding out of turns at full tilt. A real chip off the old block, so to speak. I can see Ducati giving him a run on a Moto GP bike real soon.

Might be another golden age for Aussie's with these 2 in the future.

michaelm June 21st, 2021 01:52 AM

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michaelm June 21st, 2021 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by p4p1 (Post 466217)
Interesting. I always figured that his dad had final say more or less/would be the confidant whom Remy would make his decisions with. But perhaps Wayne was happy to let Remy make his own decisions/mistakes which would also not surprise me either as he does come across as the kind of guy who will let you make your own mistakes believing that's a better way to learn than just being told not to.
Not to mention a lot of father son relationships can fall apart when the father is playing the managerial role as well which is something both of them may not have wanted to chance either.

Yes I was a big Wayne Gardner fan back in the day, but became less enamoured of him in his early retirement when he came across as something of a wanker and envious of Mick Doohan’s even greater success.

I am warming to him again now he is more invested in Remy to whom while proud and supportive he seems to have exactly the right attitude rather than being one of those fathers trying to re-live his own glory days, or to have vicarious glory days through their children, although as opposed to most in that category he obviously did have his own quite considerable days of glory on a world stage.

33 Coupe June 21st, 2021 02:02 AM

One more to keep an eye on, though on 4 wheels this time rather than 2. Mick Doohans boy, Jack, has just won his first F3 race and is looking to head to F1. He has signed up to Red Bulls junior drivers program, so I guess he is on the best path to F1, with RB backing you. They say the apple never falls far from the tree, and it really seems true in the case of the Gardner, Baylis and Doohan clans.

michaelm June 21st, 2021 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 33 Coupe (Post 466219)
I too, was unconvinced of Remy's talent earlier on. But, last year i thought he started to show something on the bike and seemed to mature quite a bit. He was getting reasonable results, better than the bike should be capable of, and kept his head down and focused on the job. Other teams took note, he ended up on a good team and now he is really making the most of the opportunity. Can't wait to see him on the big boy bikes next year.

On another note, Oli Baylis, WOW. Won his first race in the Aussie Superbike championship yesterday. Man, for someone so young (17), I am really impressed how he can jump on a superbike and ring its neck the way he does. There wouldn't be too many his age that can jump on a Ducati Panigale and ride the way he did, powersliding out of turns at full tilt. A real chip off the old block, so to speak. I can see Ducati giving him a run on a Moto GP bike real soon.

Might be another golden age for Aussie's with these 2 in the future.

Son of a gun.

Arrabbiata1 August 30th, 2021 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by michaelm (Post 466222)
Yes I was a big Wayne Gardner fan back in the day, but became less enamoured of him in his early retirement when he came across as something of a wanker and envious of Mick Doohanís even greater success.

I am warming to him again now he is more invested in Remy to whom while proud and supportive he seems to have exactly the right attitude rather than being one of those fathers trying to re-live his own glory days, or to have vicarious glory days through their children, although as opposed to most in that category he obviously did have his own quite considerable days of glory on a world stage.

Loved Digger in his day. Always struck me as a difficult individual - and suspect that his presence in the paddock had a negative effect of Remy, particularly given their fractious relationship in the past. He hadn't managed to get to races throughout the covid crisis, and when he eventually rematerialised at Spielberg this month, the resultant 4th and 7th made me fear the worst. Don't think he was at Silverstone this weekend was he?

michaelm August 30th, 2021 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Arrabbiata1 (Post 466942)
Loved Digger in his day. Always struck me as a difficult individual - and suspect that his presence in the paddock had a negative effect of Remy, particularly given their fractious relationship in the past. He hadn't managed to get to races throughout the covid crisis, and when he eventually rematerialised at Spielberg this month, the resultant 4th and 7th made me fear the worst. Don't think he was at Silverstone this weekend was he?

Maybe so, didnít know he was at Spielberg. But I donít mark Remy down for the 7th, apart from not doing better in qualifying perhaps, he got shuffled back at the start and took the most points available for him rather than throwing it down the road like Raul Fernandez did, although Fernandez while obviously a great talent is a rookie and apparently hadnít ridden at Silverstone before. I think Remy who I didnít have great hopes for when he was younger seems to have developed well and is showing a fair amount of composure, and as has been said might be suited by the premier class given his size.

Good to see you posting btw. Still greatly regret never making it to a Grand Prix weekend with you guys.

Gaz August 30th, 2021 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Arrabbiata1 (Post 466942)
Loved Digger in his day. Always struck me as a difficult individual - and suspect that his presence in the paddock had a negative effect of Remy, particularly given their fractious relationship in the past. He hadn't managed to get to races throughout the covid crisis, and when he eventually rematerialised at Spielberg this month, the resultant 4th and 7th made me fear the worst. Don't think he was at Silverstone this weekend was he?


Have not had a lot of dealings with him, only a small number both at tracks and at other places.

He has mellowed, heaps.

I did fear that he was living through Remy for a number of years, much like the 'bad parent' that pushes their child to achieve and what not, the one that screams at officials or the coach if their kid is not good enough.

What I have seen (and heard - a mate of mine is in near weekly touch with him) is that he has mellowed and is settling down a fair bit.

In may mate's words, it just took him longer to lose the competitive instincts and accept retirement


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