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evo9 April 2nd, 2019 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Theo (Post 460124)
Yes he is, but some of his antics are very chancy.
I was pleased to see Fenati came nowhere, wonder if any other riders are bitching about him?


No where as bad as those two bothers from South Africa

Keshav April 2nd, 2019 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz (Post 460160)
Hmm, Jack is dumb and you talk of a different Gardner ............... :p

Dunce or not, Jack has not had a full factory ride yet has more race wins than many in the top class.

Let us not forget that he got his first win before Crutchlow, Vinales and others riding far better equipment.

Plus of course, dunce or not, he is making the money and living the dream that us armchair legends (of our own mind) can only dream

As for Wayne Gardner Not trading paint, well he was super aggressive in his day and would not have thought twice of running a rider out to the line. Fierce, tough and brutal are all words that could describe him .............................. or as a friend of mine who knows him personally constantly says 'Wayne is the biggest toughest prick to ever race in Australia, cars or bikes' .

To be sure - a rider can be less than brilliant and still be competitive. One much loved American rider we all liked was a terrific racer - but off the track - dumb as a bag of hammers.

Memories of races 40 years in the past will differ. I watched Remy racing last week and he was elbowing riders left and right and I recall his dad - competitive but much cleaner in his passes. In terms of being an outright hard-headed dick - he's not a patch on Doohan.

Theo April 2nd, 2019 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by evo9 (Post 460166)
No where as bad as those two bothers from South Africa

I presume you are referring to the Binder brothers. Hmm I don't think they bash around that much, but Daren certainly is more legs and arms of the 2. Nor do they go for grabbing someones brake lever.

michaelm April 2nd, 2019 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Keshav (Post 460179)
To be sure - a rider can be less than brilliant and still be competitive. One much loved American rider we all liked was a terrific racer - but off the track - dumb as a bag of hammers.

Memories of races 40 years in the past will differ. I watched Remy racing last week and he was elbowing riders left and right and I recall his dad - competitive but much cleaner in his passes. In terms of being an outright hard-headed dick - he's not a patch on Doohan.

I do remember those races fairly well and Wayne was no stranger to swapping paint, although did not elbow people that I recall. He came from superbikes and never competed in the 250 or 125 championships, and the bikes in those classes were not uniform then anyway, but use of the elbows is fairly mandatory if you are to compete in moto2 or moto3 these days with packed fields and supposedly equal bikes.

Mick was Wayne’s superior as a rider and particularly at development and set up and one of the hardest bastards who ever lived, but mostly passed fairly cleanly himself unless peeved with Alex Criville and desirous of making a point to him.

evo9 April 2nd, 2019 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Theo (Post 460185)
I presume you are referring to the Binder brothers. Hmm I don't think they bash around that much, but Daren certainly is more legs and arms of the 2. Nor do they go for grabbing someones brake lever.

Yes them! They don't bash, they just ram or barge into other riders.

Keshav April 3rd, 2019 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by michaelm (Post 460190)
I do remember those races fairly well and Wayne was no stranger to swapping paint, although did not elbow people that I recall. He came from superbikes and never competed in the 250 or 125 championships, and the bikes in those classes were not uniform then anyway, but use of the elbows is fairly mandatory if you are to compete in moto2 or moto3 these days with packed fields and supposedly equal bikes.

Mick was Wayne’s superior as a rider and particularly at development and set up and one of the hardest bastards who ever lived, but mostly passed fairly cleanly himself unless peeved with Alex Criville and desirous of making a point to him.

I think there may be a bit lost in translation due to differing understanding of analgous words/expressions. Elbowing was not meant to imply that Remy was literally jabbing riders in the chest to throw off their rhythm. I enjoy watching him and was not put off by how physical he is when passing. Very entertaining really. Certainly - nobody complained of "rough riding"; at least not so far.

Regarding equality of Moto 2 bikes - I never assume that. Clearly some chassis and fairing manufacturers are superior and some team techs are bound to think outside the box and come up with legal tricks to offer small advantages.

michaelm April 3rd, 2019 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Keshav (Post 460198)
I think there may be a bit lost in translation due to differing understanding of analgous words/expressions. Elbowing was not meant to imply that Remy was literally jabbing riders in the chest to throw off their rhythm. I enjoy watching him and was not put off by how physical he is when passing. Very entertaining really. Certainly - nobody complained of "rough riding"; at least not so far.

Regarding equality of Moto 2 bikes - I never assume that. Clearly some chassis and fairing manufacturers are superior and some team techs are bound to think outside the box and come up with legal tricks to offer small advantages.

I agree, and meant to imply that I don’t think the bikes are equal in moto 2 now, but there are a lot of them and they are closer together than the golden era 500s when the now legendary riders had imo the greatest stoushes ever on bikes that required rather substantial rider input, but there were marked performance differences in the field generally.

Keshav April 3rd, 2019 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by michaelm (Post 460200)
I agree, and meant to imply that I don’t think the bikes are equal in moto 2 now, but there are a lot of them and they are closer together than the golden era 500s when the now legendary riders had imo the greatest stoushes ever on bikes that required rather substantial rider input, but there were marked performance differences in the field generally.

Yep - that differential sure as hell accounts for why Sheene and Schwantz were so heralded. The Suzukis were really deficient compared to the Hondas and Yamahas. Watching the wild shapes Schwantz made on that bike was really something. It was like gravity had gone insane in his little sphere of existence.

ratdeal April 4th, 2019 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Keshav (Post 460201)
It was like gravity had gone insane in his little sphere of existence.

I'm stealing this. Great description of any rider/bike on the edge of control.

Theo April 4th, 2019 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by evo9 (Post 460191)
Yes them! They don't bash, they just ram or barge into other riders.

As someone pointed out, in moto 2 and 3 they all do that now the field is so packed its inevitable. I've even noticed McPhee is getting his elbows involved and hes a nice guy lol.


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