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August 10th, 2013, 05:33 PM   #31
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Do you guys think there is a rider or riders in one of these classes that could make the jump to motogp in the near future? Cameron Beaubier has been dominating in sportbike. Wonder if he will go up to superbike next year or get with a manufacturer in motogp. What do you guys think?
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Hayes. No doubt Hayes isa special rider, unfortunately for him he just missed his window because of his age.


Herrin. I believe this young man has made some adjustments from the influence of Hayes. He's also taken to training a little harder(alsodue to Hayes)and it shows. I may be off on my assessment, but his style looks very similar to another rider everyone swoons over in MotoGP. I think he's ready for Moto2.


Beaubier. No doubt he's ready for Moto2 right now.


Gagne and Beach are both interesting prospects for Moto2 rides maybe with another season of 600 racing under their belts.


Having said that, only Beaubier will be racing across the pond anytime soon, I believe someone might offer him a decent ride in Moto2 or WSS. The others might be offered rides if they can bring cash, but those rides may not be the best in the paddock, much like RL Hayden's stint in WSBK.
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Do you guys think there is a rider or riders in one of these classes that could make the jump to motogp in the near future? Cameron Beaubier has been dominating in sportbike. Wonder if he will go up to superbike next year or get with a manufacturer in motogp. What do you guys think?




Beaubier is definitely the front runner at the moment. Gerloff probably has the talent, but the trajectory of his career was derailed by the broken femur last year. Gagne is close.





Riders like Hayes and RL Hayden have already proven that they can ride with the MotoGP midpack. I bet Cardenas would be reasonably good, as well. But everyone in Superbike is too old. Herrin might be good on a GP bike, but I don't know about his focus. He was not able to win a championship in DSB.
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Anyone watch Jersey?





He Jum's, Bennito got some airtime in the 2nd DSB race, looked good.
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He Jum's, Bennito got some airtime in the 2nd DSB race, looked good.




I watched the live timing b/c I don't have CBS Sports. Red flag saved Herrin in the first race.





Lewis raced Beaubier tough in DSB, but NJMP is a physical track and Lewis' size could have given him an edge. Beaubier prevailed in the end.
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Herrin and Hayes actually recovered a lot from the red flag. Speaking of Herrin, I can't decide if I like this kid or not. It's been interesting watching him this year, he seems to have matured and gets along with the R1, and at timess he's fun to watch. It's obvious the R1 is the best bike in AMA SBK, I'm curious if Herrin could duplicate his results this year on Cardenas's Suzuki? I also wonder how Herrin would do in either WSBK or Moto2?





Beaubier....seriously needs to get across the pond somehow next year ona Moto2 bike, that kid is definitely on it right now. It's sad to think though if he did get a ride in Moto2 next year the bike would most likely be crap and he would be paying for it out of his own pocket.
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He Jum's, Bennito got some airtime in the 2nd DSB race, looked good.



Yeah, was good to see. Those Hondas are the DucatiGPs of AMA.


The top DSB riders are being overlooked by the world. L8, if Herrin were on Cardenas bike, I doubt he would have made a podium much less win a race. Make no mistake, that M1 is a Wsbk spec bike, the Suzukis are no match.



Some fishy shit going on in the AMA, reminiscent of the first years DMG took over. That "jump start" penalty has been a bit of a tool to used by AMA officials to influence the outcome of the title, and frankly, in this case quite literally handed Herrin the title. The movement a bike experiences when placed into first gear (no not actually touching the white grid line or achieving a performance advantage) have been cause for penalty. And again, not consistently applied. If you watch the video of race 1, you will see RLee also have identical movement (which actually is normal). And even then, at the beginning of the year as long as the rider allowed riders to move ahead, the "jump start" penalty was accepted to be carried out, well Hayes moved back to literally to the back of the field at the start, how this could not be deemed the nullification of a supposed jump start (if one actually existed in this case) is mind-boggling. This idea that the bike can absolutely not move has been a recent return to the first year of DMG, where penalties were issued after reviewing pixels of the video. This year's title is a shame.
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Yeah, was good to see. Those Hondas are the DucatiGPs of AMA.


The top DSB riders are being overlooked by the world. L8, if Herrin were on Cardenas bike, I doubt he would have made a podium much less win a race. Make no mistake, that M1 is a Wsbk spec bike, the Suzukis are no match.



Some fishy shit going on in the AMA, reminiscent of the first years DMG took over. That "jump start" penalty has been a bit of a tool to used by AMA officials to influence the outcome of the title, and frankly, in this case quite literally handed Herrin the title. The movement a bike experiences when placed into first gear (no not actually touching the white grid line or achieving a performance advantage) have been cause for penalty. And again, not consistently applied. If you watch the video of race 1, you will see RLee also have identical movement (which actually is normal). And even then, at the beginning of the year as long as the rider allowed riders to move ahead, the "jump start" penalty was accepted to be carried out, well Hayes moved back to literally to the back of the field at the start, how this could not be deemed the nullification of a supposed jump start (if one actually existed in this case) is mind-boggling. This idea that the bike can absolutely not move has been a recent return to the first year of DMG, where penalties were issued after reviewing pixels of the video. This year's title is a shame.

The M1 is a GP designation, and you are high if you the think the AMA R1 is WSBK spec. These bikes are closer to Super Stock spec than WSBK spec.
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Yeah, was good to see. Those Hondas are the DucatiGPs of AMA.


The top DSB riders are being overlooked by the world. L8, if Herrin were on Cardenas bike, I doubt he would have made a podium much less win a race. Make no mistake, that M1 is a Wsbk spec bike, the Suzukis are no match.




The AMA-spec R1 can't be similar to WSBK specification. Most of the WSBK parts, from prototype engine internals to prototype swingarm and forks to custom transmissions, are banned in AMA competition. The AMA rules, which are similar to Supersport, favor the Yamaha over the Suzuki. Since Kawasaki, Honda, BMW, and Aprilia do not participate, we can't really know whether or not the current rules are workable.





Personally, I think the crossplane crank gives a big advantage over a 180-degree crank. Some of the manufacturers have figured out how to neutralize the Yamaha's advantage with advanced fuel-mapping and traction control, but Suzuki have not. In both the AMA and BSB, Suzuki have fallen off the pace with the new rules.
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Haha, nothing gets by you guys. Uhm, no shit sherlocks, hence why I called it an M1 and liken it to a Wsbk spec. Are you serious? Jesus. A bit of hyperbole (which Pov I'm not surprised is beyond your level and capacity for deliberation) to convey the superiority of Herrin's bike vs Cardenas/RL's bike. I could have also said Herrin's bike is a "rocket ship" compared to the Suzuki, and you would have pointed out no, it can't actually fly. haha. Fuck me.
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